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Fuel cell has very limited presence here in Canada. Tesla is building charging stations along our country's main highway. The future in Canada at least seems electric/hybrid, probably hybrid for the near term.
Worldwide both. North America mostly electric. A fuel cell is an EV anyways, so it’s not like they can build both off of the same production line and design.
There could be a place for both, but perhaps not on the same type of vehicles.
For personal-use passenger vehicles, battery-fed electric power seems to be the preferred choice. But for long-distance commercial vehicles -- buses and tractor trailers -- hydrogen-fed fuel cell power may be the way to go, for the reason that refuelling with hydrogen is much quicker (on the order of minutes) than charging banks upon banks of batteries (on the order of hours).
I thought I read where Japan was insisting Toyota/Lexus go Hydrogen fuel cell for their country after the power plant explosion. Whether it goes world wide is another thing.
Worldwide both. North America mostly electric. A fuel cell is an EV anyways, so it’s not like they can build both off of the same production line and design.
The best BEVs have a very different architecture than the Fuel Cell cars. The skateboard design in which the battery sits below the car is very different than the fuel cell cars that Toyota currently uses. Trying to get both off the same line would result in something like the current BMW electrics which are generally regarded as poor compared to the newer crop of EVs
The best BEVs have a very different architecture than the Fuel Cell cars. The skateboard design in which the battery sits below the car is very different than the fuel cell cars that Toyota currently uses. Trying to get both off the same line would result in something like the current BMW electrics which are generally regarded as poor compared to the newer crop of EVs
Originally Posted by Lexus2000
BEV has a battery and motors, fuel cell car has battery, motors, fuel cell and tank. Much different packaging.
Isn't "modular architecture" meant to compensate for this?
It allows for two reasonably different set ups like HFCEV's vs BEV's to share both the same production line, as well as sharing a certain number of common components/parts?
Isn't "modular architecture" meant to compensate for this?
It allows for two reasonably different set ups like HFCEV's vs BEV's to share both the same production line, as well as sharing a certain number of common components/parts?
There may be limits to how modular the architecture actually is. I would think fuel cell and ICE are more similar than BEV which requires a humongous battery at the center of its architecture. Perhaps they have solved these issues. To day though, everything modular coming out of the Germans have been subpar compared to a dedicated BEV platform such as the Tesla and Taycan.
The best BEVs have a very different architecture than the Fuel Cell cars. The skateboard design in which the battery sits below the car is very different than the fuel cell cars that Toyota currently uses. Trying to get both off the same line would result in something like the current BMW electrics which are generally regarded as poor compared to the newer crop of EVs
Originally Posted by EZZ
everything modular coming out of the Germans have been subpar compared to a dedicated BEV platform such as the Tesla and Taycan.
it is not subpar from a profit-making enterprise. Toyota will have a tremendous advantage over Tesla in that they can produce a gas, diesel, hybrid, electric, and even fuel cell off the same assembly line. Mercedes is the first to do it and I believe Audi as well. As for the performance or design of the car, that is a different story, but it is about making money at the end of the day. Best also means profits, it is not just 0-60 times
it is not subpar from a profit-making enterprise. Toyota will have a tremendous advantage over Tesla in that they can produce a gas, diesel, hybrid, electric, and even fuel cell off the same assembly line
Its the very definition of compromise. They are compromising the car's design in lieu of profits. A BEV with the skateboard architecture will be a superior platform than one shared with ICE.
The real kick in the pants will be when the next generation Jaguar XJ (rumored to be full BEV) and Mercedes EQS come to fruition. That might help Lexus decide what to do with the LS / LS Hybrid / and LS fuel cell concept and what direction to take. Granted its going to be a long wait
09-03-18, 04:47 PM
Future of Lexus: Electric or Fuel-Cell?
