Put about 1,000 miles on a Nissan Rogue SL, review
11-11-18, 07:28 AM
#31
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The car is slow as hell. Of course it is. Nobody should expect otherwise. Nobody would be willing to pay Lexus NX turbo engine prices for the segment the Rogue is in.
The Rogue is unexpectedly slow even for its price class and market segment. It was the first car I have driven in a LONG time (longer than I can remember) that I was surprised by how slow it feels. A CR-V feels like a rocket by comparison, it really does.
Hence the point of what I said, a turbo 4cyl would make a huge impact in the drivability of the car. That suggestion for Nissan is not outlandish as you seem to think it is considering turbo 4cyl engines are becoming typical in economy cars, midsized sedans and compact SUVs. Hell, the Ford Escape has TWO turbo 4 options. Its a logical upgrade, and I'm sure it will come.
11-11-18, 07:33 AM
#32
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I routinely do in certain cars.
But its still dramatically more powerful than the Rogue, so what does that say about the Rogue? Have you driven a new CRV? 0-60 is TWO SECONDS faster, and it feels MUCH more responsive and faster. It being underpowered means nothing about the Rogue when the Rogue is even more underpowered yet.
Sorry, thats BS. Its a UTILITY vehicle. I am not overloading it by having a front seat passenger and two duffel bags. The vehicle has three more available seats. To suggest that is ridiculous. You're just arguing with me because you like to argue. The trip that I took was exactly the sort of trip a buyer would purchase a Rogue to take. My cousin bought this vehicle specifically for this trip.
The CRV turbo is two small and underpowered as well
Any weight added to a 4 cylinder car that is already underpowered for the weight of vehicle is going to affect it, that it included one extra passenger.
Last edited by SW17LS; 11-11-18 at 07:40 AM.
11-11-18, 08:49 AM
#33
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Thanks for the write up, it was a good read. Coincidentally in this mornings Chic. Tribune the auto writer, who is a car guy, did a review on the Rouge and felt the same as you. His summary, "basic, simple, good enough."
11-11-18, 10:12 AM
#34
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I can also get above the EPA highway ratings in both cars, WAY more so in the case of the LS. idk how the mpg rating is 25 highway, you have to be going 80+ mph with the A/C on for the mpgs to drop that low. E55 will easily meet or exceed the advertised 19 mpg highway as long as you're going below 75 mph or so. the original 2005 window sticker says 23 mpg highway, but you need to be going like 50 mph on a flat road on a warm day with the A/C off and windows up to even hope to get near that.
The most advanced piece of electronics in the Crown Vic is the FM radio, so I have no idea what it gets on the highway
11-11-18, 10:16 AM
#35
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Thats one thing I've noticed about 4 cyl cars, in my experience they tend to underperform their hwy mileage with me driving them on a trip, while V6 and V8 cars tend to overperform. I run cars pretty hard on a trip, 80 MPH, I stay on them going uphill to maintain that speed, etc.
11-11-18, 11:21 AM
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LexsCTJill, i've read through your posts, and i think your points are that the rogue is slow but that's not surprising since it's a 2013 design and a non-turbo 4. if so, fair enough, but we don't need to get into SWLS17's ls460l, as that's irrelevant.
when i drove a non turbo 4 crv 3 yrs ago, it was certainly not slow. the newer smaller size turbo 4s it has now are supposedly excellent and definitely not slow. the turbo 4 is now the predominant power train across brands i'd say, except for toyota, providing good response and good fuel economy unless driven hard.
when i drove a non turbo 4 crv 3 yrs ago, it was certainly not slow. the newer smaller size turbo 4s it has now are supposedly excellent and definitely not slow. the turbo 4 is now the predominant power train across brands i'd say, except for toyota, providing good response and good fuel economy unless driven hard.
11-11-18, 11:25 AM
#37
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All else equal, that's probably where your gas is going. On the Interstates, I generally travel lightly, keep my average speed to about 60 or so (not in the left lane LOL)....and, whether four or V6, almost always do better than the rated EPA Highway figure on the road by about 2-3 MPG. It's a lot harder, though, in stop and go driving, simply because of the horrendous stop-and-go conditions in much of the D.C. Metro area. My Lacrosse, with its efficient 9-speed auto and the other MPG-enhancing devices, is the first car I've ever owned that I actually did as good or better than EPA around town.
The point is, all the cars I posted MPG from on this same trip were driven the same way, including the Rogue. The engine is so anemic that you have to keep it north of 4,000 RPM to get any meaningful power, and when going uphill its running 4,500 RPM or so to maintain 75 MPH, where the LS is running 2,000 RPM, perhaps it will downshift to 2,800 or 3,000 at the very top of one of those hills, its easy to see how the fuel savings of the smaller engine is lost vs the bigger engine because it has to work so much harder. Fascinating the two cars would return basically the same MPG driven the same way on the same trip.
11-11-18, 11:29 AM
#38
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when i drove a non turbo 4 crv 3 yrs ago, it was certainly not slow. the newer smaller size turbo 4s it has now are supposedly excellent and definitely not slow. the turbo 4 is now the predominant power train across brands i'd say, except for toyota, providing good response and good fuel economy unless driven hard.
11-11-18, 02:17 PM
#39
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small engine working hard always gives poor fuel economy vs. big engine working just like idling. IMO, In this category there are RAV4, Rogue, Mazda 5. Amongst Rogue is ranked last. Maybe that's why resale value of Rogue is not as good as the other two.
11-11-18, 02:52 PM
#40
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Yes. Rouge is slow. Never was intended to be fast. The EPA rating at the time in 2013 was very good. As for any ls460l, I don’t think I brought up the LS, I believe he claimed he got better gas mileage on the highway in an ls460 than the Rogue did. But whatever, I have moved on...
11-11-18, 02:59 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Htony
That is for sire review should be based on the car itself maybe compared to other ones in the same category. Comparing it to LS? It is apple to apple not apple to orange.
small engine working hard always gives poor fuel economy vs. big engine working just like idling. IMO, In this category there are RAV4, Rogue, Mazda 5. Amongst Rogue is ranked last. Maybe that's why resale value of Rogue is not as good as the other two.
small engine working hard always gives poor fuel economy vs. big engine working just like idling. IMO, In this category there are RAV4, Rogue, Mazda 5. Amongst Rogue is ranked last. Maybe that's why resale value of Rogue is not as good as the other two.
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
As for any ls460l, I don’t think I brought up the LS, I believe he claimed he got better gas mileage on the highway in an ls460 than the Rogue did. But whatever, I have moved on...
My point was the engine is underpowered, and the CVT coupled with that underpowered engine makes for a noisy and crass driving experience for no payoff when it comes to fuel economy. I'd much rather have something else in the segment that has at least a regular transmission (such as a CX-5) or something with a turbo 4 and a CVT (such as a CR-V) or even better, a turbo 4 and a regular transmission (such as the Escape).
My main complaint about the vehicle was power, if it had more power and didnt have to stay up in those high noisy CVT induced rev bands I would have enjoyed it a lot more.
Last edited by bitkahuna; 11-12-18 at 06:36 AM.
11-11-18, 02:59 PM
#42
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It is far easier to not get 34 MPG in a 4 cylinder than it is to get 17 mpg in a larger more powerful motor.
11-11-18, 03:01 PM
#43
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Your Corolla is also like a rocketship compared to the Rogue lol.
11-11-18, 03:02 PM
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11-11-18, 03:12 PM
#45
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No lol. I also have driven the current generation Corolla and it feels quicker and less labored than the Rogue. Like I said, the Rogue feels fine at highway speeds with fine passing power, its getting moving from a stop.