Would you support some sort of automated ticketing?
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#48
I agree with 4Teh...such a requirement by the government would require serious, serious backlash.
This has also been tested by the government trying to gain access to information recorded by smartphones...and struck down.
This has also been tested by the government trying to gain access to information recorded by smartphones...and struck down.
#49
Good lord. Its the same difference...
They're not that bad out here because you know where they are, and they're fairly obvious, and the grace period is pretty big, 13MPH. DC is the worst because they move them around and the fines are MUCH higher. Ticket in MoCo is $40. In DC it can be $100-200.
They're not that bad out here because you know where they are, and they're fairly obvious, and the grace period is pretty big, 13MPH. DC is the worst because they move them around and the fines are MUCH higher. Ticket in MoCo is $40. In DC it can be $100-200.
Bottom line? Society could improve the way it behaves, and in some sense, lawbreaking should be removed, within some range. Going 12 mph over the limit does not make a person bad, it's the vehicle that does. There are no bad drivers, only bad vehicles.
#50
I totally agree with you about MD. $40, there isn't a single person on this forum that could not afford to pay that. When LA had red light cams, $560 imho is another story. And last time I looked into DC, they don't publish any leeway.
Bottom line? Society could improve the way it behaves, and in some sense, lawbreaking should be removed, within some range. Going 12 mph over the limit does not make a person bad, it's the vehicle that does. There are no bad drivers, only bad vehicles.
Bottom line? Society could improve the way it behaves, and in some sense, lawbreaking should be removed, within some range. Going 12 mph over the limit does not make a person bad, it's the vehicle that does. There are no bad drivers, only bad vehicles.
#51
its not about the money, how does police know whos driving the car at the time of the offense? You can't, same with your constitutional right to face your accuser. Its a camera. This is why City of Houston made it to where you cannot have any criminal penalties for a red light ticket, it becomes a pure civil penalty. You cant go to jail, be arrested, be warranted, they cant even stop you from registering your car when you have these tickets because these things violate your civil rights. Theoretically you can straight up ignore the ticket and the police cant do anything.
Why I think your logic is flawed, what right does the City of Seattle have, to issue you a parking ticket, because you did not stick the parking receipt to the left front driver's side window? You paid, but maybe put it on the dash, as is often done? They don't care who was driving, they send a summons to the rental car co., who adds their fee and automatically charges your credit card $300.
I think in society, we can come up with a gazillion reasons to not act right, but unfortunately, it takes time. Is it time well spent? Canadians appear to say no, they'll just follow the law.
How does a human know how fast he/she is going? How many people in the general population can integrate and derive using calculus? I'm not talking in the world, I'm talking in the USA.
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#53
i've never seen a 70 mph limit road that couldn't easily support traveling at 105, the 45 in a 30 is a bigger concern to me since that's likely just some side street with red lights and stop signs / some kids playing on it or something
#54
Yes it can. Entitled a-holes constantly double park, block fire hydrants and crosswalks. This can prevent emergency vehicle parking, block view for pedestrians, force traffic into oncoming lanes, and push bicyclists into traffic.
http://gothamist.com/2018/08/11/tourist_on_bicyclist_killed_by_truc.php
People think their effing car is their personal private space, and they feel they can disregard rules and act like impulsive sociopaths. They don't understand that they are driving on public roads. Drivers license should be a lot harder to get, and a lot easier to be revoked, and private cars should be a lot more expensive to insure and own.
http://gothamist.com/2018/08/11/tourist_on_bicyclist_killed_by_truc.php
People think their effing car is their personal private space, and they feel they can disregard rules and act like impulsive sociopaths. They don't understand that they are driving on public roads. Drivers license should be a lot harder to get, and a lot easier to be revoked, and private cars should be a lot more expensive to insure and own.
If you want to argue that illegal parking is on the same plane as running a red light, then you just want to argue for arguing's sake. I hate self-entitled people that double park, block traffic, and do whatever they feel like doing, but does that mean that we should live in a nanny state that you will automatically get a ticket when you don't park properly in all respects.
#55
I agree with you that, in general, illegal parking is not in the same league as running a red light. But there are some notable exceptions. Making it more difficult for a disabled person by parking in their Handicapped-Space, just because one is lazy and doesn't feel like getting off their a** and walking a few extra steps (perhaps in hot or cold weather) is serious matter, IMO, and deserves a stiff fine. So is illegal parking in fire-lanes, access-lanes at hospitals, and other places that could impede emergency vehicles. People who do these things should be reminded, the hard way, that driving is a Privilege, not a Right.
#56
I agree with you that, in general, illegal parking is not in the same league as running a red light. But there are some notable exceptions. Making it more difficult for a disabled person by parking in their Handicapped-Space, just because one is lazy and doesn't feel like getting off their a** and walking a few extra steps (perhaps in hot or cold weather) is serious matter, IMO, and deserves a stiff fine. So is illegal parking in fire-lanes, access-lanes at hospitals, and other places that could impede emergency vehicles. People who do these things should be reminded, the hard way, that driving is a Privilege, not a Right.
#57
One way to start would be for cameras to monitor handicapped spaces and look for legal Handicapped-markers on the license plates or hanging from the inside mirrors...the two most common places for having them. Since cameras are not always foolproof, the registered owner of the car (not necessarily the driver, if the camera cannot determine that) gets a warning in the mail on the first offense. Second one.....the book gets tossed, with a stiff fine.
#58
I can’t believe so many people are open to giving Computer systems / AI the ability to police them.
I want to stay as far away as possible from technology having any power over me.
When does it stop - if you drive for a minute without your seatbelt = ticket.
Once you start on this path, there will be no end as your phone can rat on you about where you are, who you talk to, what words you use etc.
Legal system is already abused enough in US.
I want to stay as far away as possible from technology having any power over me.
When does it stop - if you drive for a minute without your seatbelt = ticket.
Once you start on this path, there will be no end as your phone can rat on you about where you are, who you talk to, what words you use etc.
Legal system is already abused enough in US.
#59
I can’t believe so many people are open to giving Computer systems / AI the ability to police them.
I want to stay as far away as possible from technology having any power over me.
When does it stop - if you drive for a minute without your seatbelt = ticket.
Once you start on this path, there will be no end as your phone can rat on you about where you are, who you talk to, what words you use etc.
Legal system is already abused enough in US.
I want to stay as far away as possible from technology having any power over me.
When does it stop - if you drive for a minute without your seatbelt = ticket.
Once you start on this path, there will be no end as your phone can rat on you about where you are, who you talk to, what words you use etc.
Legal system is already abused enough in US.
#60
One way to start would be for cameras to monitor handicapped spaces and look for legal Handicapped-markers on the license plates or hanging from the inside mirrors...the two most common places for having them. Since cameras are not always foolproof, the registered owner of the car (not necessarily the driver, if the camera cannot determine that) gets a warning in the mail on the first offense. Second one.....the book gets tossed, with a stiff fine.