Would you support some sort of automated ticketing?
11-21-18, 06:11 AM
#76
Lexus Fanatic
i think the regulations should be in place almost exclusively to protect other people from bad drivers, there should be nothing in place to stop dumb people from hurting themselves though. i'd be totally happy if it was mandatory to take the road test with a manual car, that'd be the first test to weed out anyone not coordinated and competent enough lol..
the ability to multitask also isn't tested enough. i've seen many people where the physical act of driving the car is putting them at like their max capacity, which is not safe. this will probably get some backlash lol but i think you should have to prove that you at least can text and drive, it shows an ability to manage multiple tasks at once which is often required while driving. particularly if it's a dark, rainy night, or if it's snow/sleet conditions. passing a test for something as significant as driving a car should demonstrate that you can comfortably cope when things are the worst, not just barely hang on when the going is easy and straightforward.
also, all tickets do for the most part is make money for who's issuing them, they do nothing to address the actual problem that so many people literally don't know how to drive properly. and since cars are essentially just computers nowadays, any kind of automated ticket system could be disabled by someone with enough technical knowhow, which could then be sold as a product alongside tunes and other software mods. and even if that were made illegal, which it probably would be, people will still find a work around. with enough motivation, humans can be very clever when they need to be.
the ability to multitask also isn't tested enough. i've seen many people where the physical act of driving the car is putting them at like their max capacity, which is not safe. this will probably get some backlash lol but i think you should have to prove that you at least can text and drive, it shows an ability to manage multiple tasks at once which is often required while driving. particularly if it's a dark, rainy night, or if it's snow/sleet conditions. passing a test for something as significant as driving a car should demonstrate that you can comfortably cope when things are the worst, not just barely hang on when the going is easy and straightforward.
also, all tickets do for the most part is make money for who's issuing them, they do nothing to address the actual problem that so many people literally don't know how to drive properly. and since cars are essentially just computers nowadays, any kind of automated ticket system could be disabled by someone with enough technical knowhow, which could then be sold as a product alongside tunes and other software mods. and even if that were made illegal, which it probably would be, people will still find a work around. with enough motivation, humans can be very clever when they need to be.
How about the fake Thule bike rack obscuring the license plate? That effectively defeats a rlc or speed cam.
No matter what we may think about automated enforcement, don't be a martyr. Look out for yourself and your family, likely by driving defensively.
11-21-18, 07:17 AM
#77
Lexus Fanatic
In fact, some things are not regulated enough. When you have 90-year-old people running their cars into the sides of buildings because they can no longer tell the accelerator pedal from the brake (and still have a valid license with them) something is clearly out of kilter.
And it you think that auto-licensing is tough, you should see what I went through for my Airman's (Pilot's) License...and how long and thorough that took. The two are not even in the same world...but I won't get too deeply into that here, as it is the subject for another thread.
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-21-18 at 07:26 AM.
11-21-18, 08:57 AM
#78
Lexus Fanatic
Driving is not a constitutional right, it's a regulated privilege that comes with a lot of restrictions, conditions and responsibility. In the US drivers kill on average 40,000 people per year, and maim 2.3 million people per year, so clearly more regulation is required to save drivers from their worst enemy - themselves.
Ideally private cars should be banned, at least in major cities, but that's not likely to happen in the foreseeable future. But it's only matter of time until we'll start seeing automated ticketing systems integrated into cars and public roads/traffic devices.
Ideally private cars should be banned, at least in major cities, but that's not likely to happen in the foreseeable future. But it's only matter of time until we'll start seeing automated ticketing systems integrated into cars and public roads/traffic devices.
11-22-18, 04:49 AM
#80
Lexus Fanatic
11-22-18, 06:24 AM
#81
Driving is not a constitutional right, it's a regulated privilege that comes with a lot of restrictions, conditions and responsibility. In the US drivers kill on average 40,000 people per year, and maim 2.3 million people per year, so clearly more regulation is required to save drivers from their worst enemy - themselves.
Ideally private cars should be banned, at least in major cities, but that's not likely to happen in the foreseeable future. But it's only matter of time until we'll start seeing automated ticketing systems integrated into cars and public roads/traffic devices.
Ideally private cars should be banned, at least in major cities, but that's not likely to happen in the foreseeable future. But it's only matter of time until we'll start seeing automated ticketing systems integrated into cars and public roads/traffic devices.
How does these automated systems know who is driving so a criminal charge can be placed? How do you face your accuser in court when its a computer? You are proposing an immense nanny police state here without even understanding your own civil rights.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 11-22-18 at 06:36 AM.
11-22-18, 06:41 AM
#82
Lexus Fanatic
Owning a house isnt a constitutional right, can cops just show up and search it?
How does these automated systems know who is driving so a criminal charge can be placed?
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-22-18 at 06:52 AM.
11-22-18, 07:01 AM
#85
Lexus Fanatic
Not a bad idea for security, except that it would be a PITA to be constantly taking your license in and out of your wallet (I keep my license and insurance card in a secure interior wallet-compartment) and scan it every time you want to start the engine. It would also make it a PITA for mechanics or technicians in repair or service shops to start it up, as they often have to.
11-22-18, 07:03 AM
#86
you clearly dont understand your own civil rights. A cop cant just walk up and search your car for no reason. Just because driving is a privilege doesnt mean you lose your civil rights. What you are proposing clearly violates the 4A protection against unreasonable search and seizures and 5A to self incrimination. Owning a house isnt a constitutional right, can cops just show up and search it?
11-22-18, 07:06 AM
#87
Not a bad idea for security, except that it would be a PITA to be constantly taking your license in and out of your wallet (I keep my license and insurance card in a secure interior wallet-compartment) and scan it every time you want to start the engine. It would also make it a PITA for mechanics or technicians in repair or service shops to start it up, as they often have to.
11-22-18, 09:10 AM
#88
Lexus Champion
Cops don't waste their time searching vehicles for no reason. They are obviously looking for something....usually contraband or drunken-drivers, and usually have a reason to do so. In most cases, BTW, courts have ruled sobriety checkpoints to be legal, particularly on days like today (Thanksgiving) when lots of people will be drinking.
11-22-18, 10:55 AM
#89
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but we know half of the country would be apoplectic saying that's profiling.
11-22-18, 11:10 AM
#90
Lexus Fanatic
While not entirely non-existant, the idea of racial "profiling" is more fantasy than fact. The primary job of police is to catch crooks, regardless of what color skin they have....and the average cop couldn't care less how many arrests he or she makes based on race. If a cop bags a load of cocaine, heroin, or other contraband, he or she will have done his or her job, no matter who is running it.
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-22-18 at 02:05 PM.