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Old 01-29-19 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I think your posting activity on the subject says the exact opposite, but okay.
No. I don't think you grasped what I meant. If the big GM sedans are l dropped, it makes little difference to me if the plants are building EV Bolts or trucks/SUVs. As of now, they're not going to get my business, because those vehicles simply aren't my forte. But, either way, I want to see the workers protected as much as possible...they are the ones that tentatively could suffer the most.

Could I change my mind in the future? Not likely, but yes, anything is possible. I learned, long ago, when I bought my Subaru Outback, never to say never. The lure of easy driving through snowstorms finally got to me. I never thought I'd own a plastic-body car, either, but I absolutely loved my Saturn SL2.

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GM isnt going to reverse the decision on these plants. If you google "GM" its not even on the news feed anymore, public attention has moved past this and these plants will close and nobody will even notice.
Old 01-29-19 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
its not even on the news feed anymore, public attention has moved past this and these plants will close and nobody will even notice.
Oh, it has? Guess somebody forgot to tell the Canadians. This is an article dated today.

http://mazmessenger.com/2019/01/29/c...s-from-mexico/


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Old 01-29-19 | 07:11 PM
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I'm not saying there aren't articles, just that it isn't a top story. Google "GM" and look at the news stream.
Old 01-29-19 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
No. I don't think you grasped what I meant. If the big GM sedans are l dropped, it makes little difference to me if the plants are building EV Bolts or trucks/SUVs. As of now, they're not going to get my business, because those vehicles simply aren't my forte. But, either way, I want to see the workers protected as much as possible...they are the ones that tentatively could suffer the most.

Could I change my mind in the future? Not likely, but yes, anything is possible. I learned, long ago, when I bought my Subaru Outback, never to say never. The lure of easy driving through snowstorms finally got to me. I never thought I'd own a plastic-body car, either, but I absolutely loved my Saturn SL2.
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I wouldn't go too far out on a limb on that if I were you. They may indeed close...or they may be retooled for something else. We'll see.

To me personally, it makes little difference. Either way, the cars I'd want (Lacrosse, Impala, CT6) are gone.....although I do care for the workers, and hope they don't lose their jobs. If they wind up making different vehicles in the same plant, at least they still can put bread on the table.
You’ll find something to replace your Lacrosse. I would go with a Regal hatch. I think that is the best Buick available.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Oh, it has? Guess somebody forgot to tell the Canadians. This is an article dated today.

http://mazmessenger.com/2019/01/29/c...s-from-mexico/

so this obscure mexican website has a story about canadian auto union workers asking canadians not to buy gm cars made in mexico. what’s wrong with this story?

nothing except no one in canada reads it, no one cares about overpaid auto union workers, and boycotts never work.
Old 01-30-19 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna


so this obscure mexican website has a story about canadian auto union workers asking canadians not to buy gm cars made in mexico. what’s wrong with this story?

nothing except no one in canada reads it, no one cares about overpaid auto union workers, and boycotts never work.
Not defending unions they can all die in a fire but this issue is not forgotten at all in Canada it is being covered by mainstream sources.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4888090/g...-plant-action/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...xico-1.4992989
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/unifor-lau...161558829.html

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Not defending unions they can all die in a fire but this issue is not forgotten at all in Canada it is being covered by mainstream sources.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4888090/g...-plant-action/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...xico-1.4992989
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/unifor-lau...161558829.html
thought it's funny that union guy's last name is dias.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
thought it's funny that union guy's last name is dias.

"Dias" means "days" in Spanish.
Old 01-30-19 | 02:54 PM
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https://blackburnnews.com/windsor/wi...ral-committee/

Here is my questioning by the Federal Government in Canada.
Old 01-30-19 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Here is my questioning by the Federal Government in Canada.
The CEO of General Motors will be invited to Ottawa to explain the company’s decision to close its plant in Oshawa.
I'm not sure that "Invited" would actually be the best term to describe it.
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I'm not sure that "Invited" would actually be the best term to describe it.
what would purpose? Demand they be sent
Old 01-30-19 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
what would purpose? Demand they be sent
I'll just leave it at what I said.
Old 01-30-19 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I'll just leave it at what I said.
lol. I don’t think demanding they be there is a good thing. Nor would forcing them to speak. Inviting seems to be the most diplomatic method. Hard to support GMs decision when they are now producing 25% of their models in Mexico.
Old 01-30-19 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Hard to support GMs decision when they are now producing 25% of their models in Mexico.
In the past, the public, as a whole, probably didn't care as much as they do today about where vehicles were specifically built. Some still don't, but their numbers seem to be dropping off, and that seems to be changing as the plight of displaced factory workers, their needs, and their sufferings become more widely known and publicized. There is a growing sense (more so every day) that, whether we are Canadians or in the U.S., we simply have to take care of our own workers first, not Mexicans or Asians.


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