Declining sales of anything without 'utility' in its description
#17
Lexus Champion
These sedans will fade into history just like hundreds of vehicles before them and others will take their place just like before. They are simply victims of changing consumer tastes and preferences. These are consumer products. This is making a mountain out of a mole hill imo
#18
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
These sedans will fade into history just like hundreds of vehicles before them and others will take their place just like before. They are simply victims of changing consumer tastes and preferences. These are consumer products. This is making a mountain out of a mole hill imo
Your opinion noted. I don't agree with it. Some of us like a certain type of vehicle, and, for them, there is no real replacement. That's why, unlike in the past, I may (?) have my Lacrosse a long time, and/or be forced into the used-car market.
It wouldn't be so bad if GM at least kept the Impala (a nice substitute for the Lacrosse)...but it's on the chopping block, too. So might be the Lincoln MKZ...another good possibility. The Kia Cadenza is a nice car but not as comfortable.
#19
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Sedans won't truly go away. If the US market sees an increase in sedan sales, then the likelihood of more models being introduced will happen. It's a business decision not to invest money in a class of vehicle that is not as profitable as a segment that is hot (trucks and SUVs). While it's sad to see names like Taurus go away, they shouldn't of let it languish for a decade like they did. LaCrosse sales are down significantly. Why produce something no one is buying? These are not halo cars that define brands. In Ford's case now they can go and remake the Escape Hybrid which would sell far better than the Fusion/Fusion Hybrid currently. MKZ's with 400hp and ATS-V, CTS-V's while great cars are not swaying M and AMG owners. But the new Aviators and XT4's of the world will drive volume which Lincoln and Cadillac need more than anything at the moment.
#21
it is very simple... every day people are voting with their pocket on what vehicles they want to drive and purchase... at the end of the day, manufacturers look at what makes sense and make product decisions.
It is really as simple as that. If people wanted great large sedans, they would purchase more and we would have more... they dont, and we see less and less being available.
It is really as simple as that. If people wanted great large sedans, they would purchase more and we would have more... they dont, and we see less and less being available.
#22
Lexus Fanatic
I thought I would respectfully say something because there are good articles and information as well as discussion in the other thread. That’s all. But all good, no worries.
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#23
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I don't have a crystal ball, but it may not be a traditional Bully-Pulpit action. More likely, GM will lose out on beneficial treatment it has been getting from the government, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some of their tax-breaksor subsidies rolled back. Other than that, it will be up to Trump and Trudeau on how they want to deal with it.
#25
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#26
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There are a number of examples, but, recently, Obama probably did the most, by actually placing the Federal Government into a role on GM's board and ordering them to get new management. It was part of the condition of the buyout. But it was Johnson and Nixon, after Ralph Nader's lobbying in the 1960s, that got the Government involved in the first place, with the first Federal safety, emission, and CAFE demands.
#27
Dysfunctional Veteran
Here is the thing...
Both GM and Ford spend millions, or even BILLIONS of dollars annually doing market research. Some of the best minds in the country doing this work. Market research, business analytics, etc. They know far better than you do what sells and what doesn't, and what the market wants. Just because you and a few friends don't want to lose large, american made sedans, doesn't mean the market is there for them. You want cushy, reliable comfort? Get an Avalon, get an LS, get an S-Class, there are a myriad of other choices that will fit any and all budgets. Both GM and Ford have seemingly decided that the market for sedans just isn't there in the US, and they can make more money on SUV's and Crossovers. They aren't wrong, the profit margins are MUCH higher on vehicles in those classes. Believe me, Multi-national, billion dollar corporations think long and hard about these types of decisions before they commit to them. And they don't give a damn what 1, 10, or even 100 potential customers think. Their research spans hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, and those people must overwhelmingly want more SUV's and Crossovers, or this wouldn't be happening.
Both GM and Ford spend millions, or even BILLIONS of dollars annually doing market research. Some of the best minds in the country doing this work. Market research, business analytics, etc. They know far better than you do what sells and what doesn't, and what the market wants. Just because you and a few friends don't want to lose large, american made sedans, doesn't mean the market is there for them. You want cushy, reliable comfort? Get an Avalon, get an LS, get an S-Class, there are a myriad of other choices that will fit any and all budgets. Both GM and Ford have seemingly decided that the market for sedans just isn't there in the US, and they can make more money on SUV's and Crossovers. They aren't wrong, the profit margins are MUCH higher on vehicles in those classes. Believe me, Multi-national, billion dollar corporations think long and hard about these types of decisions before they commit to them. And they don't give a damn what 1, 10, or even 100 potential customers think. Their research spans hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, and those people must overwhelmingly want more SUV's and Crossovers, or this wouldn't be happening.
#28
Lexus Fanatic
Here is the thing...
Both GM and Ford spend millions, or even BILLIONS of dollars annually doing market research. Some of the best minds in the country doing this work. Market research, business analytics, etc. They know far better than you do what sells and what doesn't, and what the market wants. Just because you and a few friends don't want to lose large, american made sedans, doesn't mean the market is there for them. You want cushy, reliable comfort? Get an Avalon, get an LS, get an S-Class, there are a myriad of other choices that will fit any and all budgets. Both GM and Ford have seemingly decided that the market for sedans just isn't there in the US, and they can make more money on SUV's and Crossovers. They aren't wrong, the profit margins are MUCH higher on vehicles in those classes. Believe me, Multi-national, billion dollar corporations think long and hard about these types of decisions before they commit to them. And they don't give a damn what 1, 10, or even 100 potential customers think. Their research spans hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, and those people must overwhelmingly want more SUV's and Crossovers, or this wouldn't be happening.
Both GM and Ford spend millions, or even BILLIONS of dollars annually doing market research. Some of the best minds in the country doing this work. Market research, business analytics, etc. They know far better than you do what sells and what doesn't, and what the market wants. Just because you and a few friends don't want to lose large, american made sedans, doesn't mean the market is there for them. You want cushy, reliable comfort? Get an Avalon, get an LS, get an S-Class, there are a myriad of other choices that will fit any and all budgets. Both GM and Ford have seemingly decided that the market for sedans just isn't there in the US, and they can make more money on SUV's and Crossovers. They aren't wrong, the profit margins are MUCH higher on vehicles in those classes. Believe me, Multi-national, billion dollar corporations think long and hard about these types of decisions before they commit to them. And they don't give a damn what 1, 10, or even 100 potential customers think. Their research spans hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, and those people must overwhelmingly want more SUV's and Crossovers, or this wouldn't be happening.
#29
Lexus Fanatic
I don’t see the point. Shaming would look really stupid on his part. He promised rust belt jobs and the plant where he said those promises are closing. He will probably lay low on the topic for the next little while.
#30
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
One of three things will probably happen. I will either keep my present Lacrosse and be forced into the used-car market in the future, grab up one of the last remaining new Lacrosses before it is extinct next year, or simply get something else (hopefully, an MKZ) and just give up a little comfort. I don't like the idea, though, of giving GM even another penny of mine for a new vehicle.....they are no longer worthy of it.