Declining sales of anything without 'utility' in its description
#91
so there is no perception problem with GM cars? Just bad leadership?
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#93
This was not a mistake...GM has to make these cuts to survive. Nobody WANTS to make these cuts but they have to be made.
#94
Mary Barra is not an idiot. Up till now, she has actually been a pretty good manager.....in some ways, clearly better than many of her predecessors. But we've seen that happen before...Alan Mulally, for example, at Ford. He also came in at first as quite a good manager, then started making mistakes.
#95
I don’t know if survive is the right word. Not sure if you agree. But GM has been making lots of money. Their profit was healthy just before the cuts. Questionable management decisions and the UAW is the issue. The Oshawa plant has a capacity of over 1 million units, I can’t possibly imagine GM would close a Mexico plant or a Chinese plant and load up the Oshawa plant with more UAW workers. Oh, and the $1 billion loss because of Trumps steel tariffs sure had an influence on allocating the new Blazer to be built in Mexico.
#97
This did not answer my question. Is there perception problem or not? IMO there absolutely is a perception problem with American cars in the North American . They are perceived as inferior to the Japanese, this is why they are not selling. Trucks and SUVs by the American manufacturers do not have this perception problem. In China, GM does not have a problem with people perceiving their cars as inferior, they sold over 1M Buicks in china, 200K Cadillacs and about the same for Chevy, yet they don’t have sales of large trucks and suvs. GM has actually been a profitable company since 2010.
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#98
So you agree American cars are perceived as inferior? IMO they absolutely are perceived as such, but not SUVs or trucks. ( note, that does mean I am saying they are no good). I would never ever buy an American brand model. Never. Seen way too many people get burned, including myself and my husband and my parents. Maybe I would lease one, but never would I buy one to own. That is not to say they are no good, my point is, why bother? I have always found GM cars to be pretty appealing, but I just can't get over past or current real or perceived reliability concerns.
#99
You (at least partly) answered your own question. We do, in fact, have some perception problems in this country, some of which are way outdated. The continuing negative view of a lot of people for Hyundais and Kias (and for some American-brand vehicles) proves it, despite the fact they those two companies have not built junk for some 20 years, and the fact, that, on average, there is little quality-difference now between most American and Asian/European brands. Even the brands at the bottom of the barrel (Jeep, Fiat, Dodge, Mitsubishi, Land-Rover, etc.....) are nothing like the lemons they once were. The Chinese public, in some ways, in today's climate, is actually more intelligent and perceptive than the Americans. That's because they make up their own minds when they buy a vehicle...at least, what their limited incomes allow for them. Here, a lot of us (and, by "us", I don't mean people like here on Car Chat that discuss vehicles every day and know vehicles inside and out), but people who either don't have the time, the desire, or the ability to do their homework, and simply let the news-media dictate to them. And the news-media, of course, is mostly interested in what will be click-bait and bring the most income for them, not necessarily presenting all the facts. Here, for example, Buick is continually derided as an Old Man's brand. The Chinese, in their intelligence, know better....and laugh at us.
#100
You were so quick to jump to a conclusion and push your own view that you failed to see what I was saying...it depends on who is doing the perceiving, and what their sources are. The media, in this country, is tremendously powerful, and can skew the view of millions. Some people, though, still think for themselves.
#101
So now we're blaming the news media for Buick maintaining its appeal to an older demographic as well as hiding the fact that the Chinese are laughing at us for not supporting the brand. I want to see some footage of Chinese shoppers at a Buick dealership laughing at us. Both a bit of a stretch. C'mon
#102
You were so quick to jump to a conclusion and push your own view that you failed to see what I was saying...it depends on who is doing the perceiving, and what their sources are. The media, in this country, is tremendously powerful, and can skew the view of millions. Some people, though, still think for themselves.
#103
.......and their sedans are going to get a least some of the business that GM and Ford is going to lose. Right now, at least to an extent, I admire the Toyota and Honda leadership. They are smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall, and keeping their American-market sedans.....ditto for the Koreans. Just watch....they are going to be the winners here, not GM. And they're also not going to have Trump and Trudeau coming after them.
#104
Anybody can make a video.....videos prove little or nothing. Money talks. The Chinese talk (and laugh) with their wallets.....and you can see (with good reason) where those dollars are going. That is not perception, but reality. They buy Buicks because they know a nice product when they see it....even if those Buicks are not as reliable as a typical Lexus.