MM Annual Holiday Full-Review: 2019 Toyota RAV-4
12-23-18, 09:58 PM
#17
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Well, if it blows the CR-V, it doesn't blow it very far......the CR-V itself sells in almost as large numbers as the RAV-4. And what you describe as a "boat" is simply the CR-V's generally comfort-oriented suspension. Not everyone wants to thump and pound over bumps.
12-23-18, 10:16 PM
#18
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12-23-18, 10:33 PM
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My boat reference was about the CVT and that has nothing to do with ride/suspension. Step on the gas, and you get lots of lag and lots of noise.
12-24-18, 06:08 AM
#20
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OK, thanks for clarifying that Yes, what you describe is, in fact, called "motorboating" (you've probably heard me use the term before in describing CVTs). It's a term, used in auto-reviews, to describe the way that a typical, non-stepped CVT responds from rest or at low speeds under substantial throttle. What happens is that the RPM suddenly jumps into the power range, but the actual acceleration-response response lags a coupe of seconds behind. The response, in the water, to an outboard motor on a boat (hence the term), is quite similar. The motor speeds up the propeller, but the water churns for a couple of seconds before the boat actually starts moving.
12-25-18, 01:48 AM
#21
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OK, thanks for clarifying that Yes, what you describe is, in fact, called "motorboating" (you've probably heard me use the term before in describing CVTs). It's a term, used in auto-reviews, to describe the way that a typical, non-stepped CVT responds from rest or at low speeds under substantial throttle. What happens is that the RPM suddenly jumps into the power range, but the actual acceleration-response response lags a coupe of seconds behind. The response, in the water, to an outboard motor on a boat (hence the term), is quite similar. The motor speeds up the propeller, but the water churns for a couple of seconds before the boat actually starts moving.
12-25-18, 02:50 AM
#22
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In terms of autospeak, and how it relates to CVT transmissions, that's exactly what motorboating is. I didn't invent the term...it was coined by those who first started reviewing CVTs. Early CVTs (and some still do) imitate the motion of an outboard boat-motor and propeller-response.
This article, written by a well-known engineer at Road and Track Magazine, also describes it.
https://simanaitissays.com/2013/08/3...transmissions/
This article, written by a well-known engineer at Road and Track Magazine, also describes it.
https://simanaitissays.com/2013/08/3...transmissions/
However, it was also renowned for its “motorboating,” the propensity of basic CVT cars to operate disconcertedly at constant engine rpm despite varying road speeds.
Last edited by mmarshall; 12-25-18 at 02:56 AM.
12-25-18, 04:10 AM
#23
I haven't had the opportunity to test out a new RAV4 however a family member has a 2018 CR-V Touring. Normal driving of the CR-V one really can't tell the difference between a CVT & 8 speed, and gas mileage is excellent. I believe most people looking at these vehicles will compare equipment, style, gas mileage, etc., with power train somewhere down on the list. It will be interesting, however, to see if Toyota pushes a lot of these to rental fleets. Living by a major airport, I drive by large holding lots of rentals, mostly FCA products, with some Toyotas, Hyundai's, and Ford products. Never see Honda's in there.
12-25-18, 04:39 AM
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I haven't had the opportunity to test out a new RAV4 however a family member has a 2018 CR-V Touring. Normal driving of the CR-V one really can't tell the difference between a CVT & 8 speed, and gas mileage is excellent. I believe most people looking at these vehicles will compare equipment, style, gas mileage, etc., with power train somewhere down on the list. It will be interesting, however, to see if Toyota pushes a lot of these to rental fleets. Living by a major airport, I drive by large holding lots of rentals, mostly FCA products, with some Toyotas, Hyundai's, and Ford products. Never see Honda's in there.
12-25-18, 09:30 AM
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12-25-18, 10:25 AM
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Honda does little to no fleet business which is why they don't show in rental lots.
As for the CR-V, it's excellent and feels perfectly natural in normal driving.
Talk of bad cvt's is out of date.
As for the CR-V, it's excellent and feels perfectly natural in normal driving.
Talk of bad cvt's is out of date.
12-25-18, 11:36 AM
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12-25-18, 03:11 PM
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12-25-18, 03:30 PM
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