Hydrogen vehicles discussion
#106
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One also has to take safety into account when significant amounts of hydrogen are produced....its explosiveness and flammability are legendary. One only needs to look at the tragedies that befell a number of hydrogen-filled airships produced in countries that couldn't get the safer and more stable helium gas.
#107
One also has to take safety into account when significant amounts of hydrogen are produced....its explosiveness and flammability are legendary. One only needs to look at the tragedies that befell a number of hydrogen-filled airships produced in countries that couldn't get the safer and more stable helium gas.
pardon my lack of punctuation and grammar I was too busy studying either anatomy or Spanish during English class. We had a new Beautiful girl from Spain show up in our grade the year I studied English.
#108
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Toyota Developing Hydrogen Engine Technologies Through Motorsports
Toyota Developing Hydrogen Engine Technologies Through Motorsports
Fuel cell electrified vehicles (FCEVs) such as Toyota's Mirai use a fuel cell in which hydrogen chemically reacts with oxygen in the air to produce electricity that powers an electric motor. Meanwhile, hydrogen engines generate power through the combustion of hydrogen using fuel supply and injection systems that have been modified from those used with gasoline engines. Except for the combustion of minute amounts of engine oil during driving, which is also the case with gasoline engines, hydrogen engines emit zero CO2 when in use.
Combustion in hydrogen engines occurs at a faster rate than in gasoline engines, resulting in a characteristic of good responsiveness. While having excellent environmental performance, hydrogen engines also have the potential to relay the fun of driving, including through sounds and vibrations.
Toyota has long engaged in the innovation of engine technology. Also, it is applying in production vehicles the technologies that it has continued to refine through its participation in motorsports, with the GR Yaris launched last September being one example. And when it comes to safety, Toyota intends to apply the technologies and know-how that it has accumulated through the development of fuel cell vehicles and the commercialization of the Mirai.
Plans are for the hydrogen-engine-powered race vehicle announced today to be fueled during races using hydrogen produced* at the Fukushima Hydrogen Energy Research Field in Namie Town, Fukushima Prefecture. While aiming to expand hydrogen infrastructure by promoting hydrogen use, Toyota intends to continue advancing efforts for economic recovery and revitalization of the Tohoku region together with all parties concerned.
Toward achieving carbon neutrality, Toyota has been strengthening its efforts, such as by aiming to promote the use of hydrogen through the popularization of FCEVs and numerous other fuel-cell-powered products. By further refining its hydrogen-engine technologies through motorsports, Toyota intends to aim for the realization of an even better hydrogen-based society.
Combustion in hydrogen engines occurs at a faster rate than in gasoline engines, resulting in a characteristic of good responsiveness. While having excellent environmental performance, hydrogen engines also have the potential to relay the fun of driving, including through sounds and vibrations.
Toyota has long engaged in the innovation of engine technology. Also, it is applying in production vehicles the technologies that it has continued to refine through its participation in motorsports, with the GR Yaris launched last September being one example. And when it comes to safety, Toyota intends to apply the technologies and know-how that it has accumulated through the development of fuel cell vehicles and the commercialization of the Mirai.
Plans are for the hydrogen-engine-powered race vehicle announced today to be fueled during races using hydrogen produced* at the Fukushima Hydrogen Energy Research Field in Namie Town, Fukushima Prefecture. While aiming to expand hydrogen infrastructure by promoting hydrogen use, Toyota intends to continue advancing efforts for economic recovery and revitalization of the Tohoku region together with all parties concerned.
Toward achieving carbon neutrality, Toyota has been strengthening its efforts, such as by aiming to promote the use of hydrogen through the popularization of FCEVs and numerous other fuel-cell-powered products. By further refining its hydrogen-engine technologies through motorsports, Toyota intends to aim for the realization of an even better hydrogen-based society.
I never knew that something like this was even possible.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-22-21 at 08:09 PM.
#109
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One word
embrittlement
embrittlement
#110
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BMW X5 hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is coming for 2022
Automaker has been working with Toyota
LONDON — German carmaker BMW plans to unveil a limited series hydrogen fuel cell model SUV in 2022 as the company continues to research zero-emission alternatives to battery-electric cars, the company's top executive said on Wednesday.
Speaking at the carmaker's annual shareholder meeting, Chief Executive Officer Oliver Zipse said the company plans a small production run of a hydrogen fuel-cell powered x5 SUV next year.
Most of the auto industry is focusing its efforts on developing battery-electric cars to meet tightening emission standards in Europe and China.But BMW is one of a small number of carmakers that currently sees possibilities for the mass adoption of hydrogen fuel cells, which emit only water, and has said it is keeping its options open for the future.
As well as offering the prospect of harmless emissions, hydrogen fuel cells also provide greater range than battery-electric cars, but there is very little fueling infrastructure currently in place to support mass adoption of the technology.
Last December, Japanese carmaker Toyota unveiled its revamped Mirai hydrogen fuel cell car, in a fresh push to promote the zero-emission technology amid rapidly growing demand for electric vehicles.
BMW has forged an alliance with Toyota centered on developing fuel cells.
Japan's Honda Motor Co and South Korea's Hyundai Motor have developed fuel cell models.
Earlier this year, Jaguar Land Rover said it was investing in developing hydrogen fuel cells in anticipation of a future shift to hydrogen to power vehicles.
JLR, owned by India's Tata Motors, will have prototypes using hydrogen fuel cells on Britain's roads within the next year, it said, as part of a long-range investment plan.
Speaking at the carmaker's annual shareholder meeting, Chief Executive Officer Oliver Zipse said the company plans a small production run of a hydrogen fuel-cell powered x5 SUV next year.
Most of the auto industry is focusing its efforts on developing battery-electric cars to meet tightening emission standards in Europe and China.But BMW is one of a small number of carmakers that currently sees possibilities for the mass adoption of hydrogen fuel cells, which emit only water, and has said it is keeping its options open for the future.
As well as offering the prospect of harmless emissions, hydrogen fuel cells also provide greater range than battery-electric cars, but there is very little fueling infrastructure currently in place to support mass adoption of the technology.
Last December, Japanese carmaker Toyota unveiled its revamped Mirai hydrogen fuel cell car, in a fresh push to promote the zero-emission technology amid rapidly growing demand for electric vehicles.
BMW has forged an alliance with Toyota centered on developing fuel cells.
Japan's Honda Motor Co and South Korea's Hyundai Motor have developed fuel cell models.
Earlier this year, Jaguar Land Rover said it was investing in developing hydrogen fuel cells in anticipation of a future shift to hydrogen to power vehicles.
JLR, owned by India's Tata Motors, will have prototypes using hydrogen fuel cells on Britain's roads within the next year, it said, as part of a long-range investment plan.
#111
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hydrogen internal combustion engines
was not aware that this was being developed until recently. seems to be a great zero emission solution especially for large heavy machinery where batteries are simply impractical.
and TOYOTA is working on this too, for cars, but as this lengthy video explains, it's currently hugely impractical (compared to hydrogen fuel cell vehicle).
and TOYOTA is working on this too, for cars, but as this lengthy video explains, it's currently hugely impractical (compared to hydrogen fuel cell vehicle).
#112
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^^^ I agree it's an interesting idea, but a hydrogen ICE power plant is going to face more or less the same problem as a fuel-cell.......an adequate network of refill-stations.
That said, I still basically agree with Jill that hydrogen (and hydrogen-refill stations), for many people, is preferable to BEV recharging, which simply is not possible or practical in many homes, apartments, and condos.
That said, I still basically agree with Jill that hydrogen (and hydrogen-refill stations), for many people, is preferable to BEV recharging, which simply is not possible or practical in many homes, apartments, and condos.
#113
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was not aware that this was being developed until recently. seems to be a great zero emission solution especially for large heavy machinery where batteries are simply impractical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1-__SYskjc
and TOYOTA is working on this too, for cars, but as this lengthy video explains, it's currently hugely impractical (compared to hydrogen fuel cell vehicle).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IPR50-soNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1-__SYskjc
and TOYOTA is working on this too, for cars, but as this lengthy video explains, it's currently hugely impractical (compared to hydrogen fuel cell vehicle).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IPR50-soNA
#115
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i thought discussions were on hydrogen FCEVs not hydrogen ice.
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#118
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It makes sense for super cheap cars...no batteries, no weight issues, no battery disposal. Toyota I think has already shown they can convert and existing ICE engine to run on hydrogen....like it has been said so many times, batteries alone cannot solve the issues if you want to meet Paris Climate Accord goals. Only issue is that the ICE hydrogen is no 100% zero emissions...there is a small amount of oil needed.
#119
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Super cheap cars? The Mirai is the most heavily subsidized car on the road and still not cheap. And even with all the rebates and free hydrogen sales are terrible.
#120
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