Lexus human interface issues and climate control discussion
#226
Lexus Fanatic
In some cases, you're putting the cart before the horse. If auto-systems always did that great a job, people wouldn't have to fiddle with them manually. My experience with climate-control, in almost every vehicle I've owned, is, if I want it done to my satisfaction, do it myself.
#227
Lexus Fanatic
#228
Lexus Fanatic
Its not reasonable to expect a carmaker to design multiple prioritized control systems for the same function.
#229
Lexus Fanatic
Not sure I totally agree with that. Jill has a point...touchscreens are simply cheaper to produce and install in the dash. They require fewer hookups and wiring, because much of that is in the electronics and processors in the screen itself. But they tend to be unreliable, sometimes difficult to use on a bumpy road, and often require multiple-navigation through menus to do what should be very simple things, like set a clock. IMO, the early versions of the BMW I-Drives and Audi MMIs were the worst, but many others, especially in Toyotas, are no piece of cake either, particularly for older drivers.
#230
Lexus Fanatic
They do have both. But some Lexus models are more difficult or use than others, IS vs LS500. Missing direction buttons, and AC buttons. ES missing just AC.
#231
Lexus Fanatic
Not sure I totally agree with that. Jill has a point...touchscreens are simply cheaper to produce and install in the dash. They require fewer hookups and wiring, because much of that is in the electronics and processors in the screen itself. But they tend to be unreliable, sometimes difficult to use on a bumpy road, and often require multiple-navigation through menus to do what should be very simple things, like set a clock. IMO, the early versions of the BMW I-Drives and Audi MMIs were the worst, but many others, especially in Toyotas, are no piece of cake either, particularly for older drivers.
And BTW, BMW's iDrive and Audis MMI are examples of vehicles without touchscreens, so I'm not sure what your point is.
And by the way, in the Lexus system you can very easily choose to have all the A/C buttons you want always ready to go on the screen.
#232
Lexus Fanatic
Then why did the industry abandon touchscreens and then move back to touchscreens?
And BTW, BMW's iDrive and Audis MMI are examples of vehicles without touchscreens, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Design choices that they make for the targeted consumer for those vehicles and you should adjust your purchase decision accordingly. ES is aimed at the nameplate's oldest demographic, so it makes sense it would have more redundant controls.
And by the way, in the Lexus system you can very easily choose to have all the A/C buttons you want always ready to go on the screen.
And BTW, BMW's iDrive and Audis MMI are examples of vehicles without touchscreens, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Design choices that they make for the targeted consumer for those vehicles and you should adjust your purchase decision accordingly. ES is aimed at the nameplate's oldest demographic, so it makes sense it would have more redundant controls.
And by the way, in the Lexus system you can very easily choose to have all the A/C buttons you want always ready to go on the screen.
#233
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#234
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#235
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to save money? (in theory)
you don't like dehumidified air much?
you like playing with controls?
Just becomes much more difficult and annoying if there is no dedicated A/C button. Luxury should be ease of use.
do you manually pair your phone with bluetooth every time you get in? no, because it's not convenient even if it's easy to do.
#236
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And BTW, BMW's iDrive and Audis MMI are examples of vehicles without touchscreens, so I'm not sure what your point is.
#237
Lexus Fanatic
Topical:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzNSZDNqnjM
Kinda goes into why decision like nixing the AC button happen. You have to sell to the buying public - or at least, appeal to the majority of consumers who buy a vehicle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzNSZDNqnjM
Kinda goes into why decision like nixing the AC button happen. You have to sell to the buying public - or at least, appeal to the majority of consumers who buy a vehicle.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-14-19 at 04:10 PM.
#238
Lexus Fanatic
Had a Nissan Altima as a rental today while my LS was in my independent mechanic for the 35k service, no auto climate control. What a PITA, always fiddling with it, always either burning up or freezing cold...
#239
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unusually cold in FL tonight... i remote started the car from the office... when i went out, since the climate control was already set at usual temp, car knew to warm up nicely. Got in, turned on seat warmers and heated steering wheel and proceeded home. Never touched the climate control.
#240
Lexus Fanatic
I love that too, mine even turns on the seat heaters and heated steering wheel too...