Cadillac Is Switching to New Torque-Based Engine Badging
03-14-19, 02:55 PM
#46
Lexus Fanatic
But it still doesn't change the fact that the XT6 is not an electric vehicle. Slapping a badge on it as if it currently is and needs to be measured that way is underhanded brand deception. Tesla and Audi don't state their USA numbers in nM. In fact they're more likely to provide performance figures like 0-60. btw there does not appear to be any manufacturer of mainstream cars or mass market electric cars/suvs that even invokes the metric measurement for torque or even kW in Canada or the USA.
The only metrics that manufacturers started using a long time ago were for engine displacement going from cubic inches to cubic centimeters which rounded to liters.
The only metrics that manufacturers started using a long time ago were for engine displacement going from cubic inches to cubic centimeters which rounded to liters.
03-14-19, 03:02 PM
#48
Lexus Fanatic
03-14-19, 03:27 PM
#49
Lexus Fanatic
03-14-19, 04:14 PM
#50
This looks to me of a bit of desperation. If your specs compare poorly, don't make it easy for the customer to compare specs.
It would be like saying my old Corvette has an engine displacement of 7x10^-12 Cubic Kilometers. It's true, but doesn't convey much information to the comparison shopper.
(For those unfamiliar with Scientific Notation, 7x10^-12 Cubic Kilometers = 7 Liters = 427 cubic inches)
It would be like saying my old Corvette has an engine displacement of 7x10^-12 Cubic Kilometers. It's true, but doesn't convey much information to the comparison shopper.
(For those unfamiliar with Scientific Notation, 7x10^-12 Cubic Kilometers = 7 Liters = 427 cubic inches)
03-14-19, 04:54 PM
#52
This is a no win discussion. It shouldn't matter if ft-lbs or Nm are used as long as the convention stays the same.
The auto world is global now and it's time the US conformed to the rest of the world and convert to use the Metric system. It was last tried in the seventies but fell by the wayside. I remember freeway exits signed in Kilometers. Cadillac's market is bigger in China now so maybe they know something.
By the way what is a Cubic Kilometer? And how would you compare the 427 Corvette to a Tesla?
The auto world is global now and it's time the US conformed to the rest of the world and convert to use the Metric system. It was last tried in the seventies but fell by the wayside. I remember freeway exits signed in Kilometers. Cadillac's market is bigger in China now so maybe they know something.
By the way what is a Cubic Kilometer? And how would you compare the 427 Corvette to a Tesla?
03-14-19, 05:08 PM
#53
Lexus Fanatic
It was last tried in the seventies but fell by the wayside.
03-14-19, 05:26 PM
#54
Nope. Strongly disagree. It was the U.S., as a matter of fact, which first made mass-production of automobiles possible, and for the world to be on wheels to start with.
Who did we learn from?
03-14-19, 05:31 PM
#55
Lexus Champion
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I don't see brand deception in any way. I am not certain why you do..
Now if they stick to the CT/XT names for a change they might be able to dig themselves out of this quagmire. It's not about bashing Cadillac - it's about higher expectations. The Blackwing CT6-V. Now that's a monster of a competitive car and its the thing that brings a halo effect and helps sell the other vehicles down the line. Even the Cadillac XLR was an interesting exercise. Cadillac Super Cruise, another innovation. They just have to stop running like it's a rudderless ship.
Originally Posted by rogerh00
Cadillac's market is bigger in China now so maybe they know something.
03-14-19, 05:50 PM
#56
Lexus Fanatic
Only in the context of what they've been doing now for over a decade. They keep changing their naming conventions. They moved from Detroit to NY and back to Detroit to somehow exude cachet and sophistication. None of this worked out well. It's clearly an issue of the brand management dept. running things vs the engineers and long term execs.
Now if they stick to the CT/XT names for a change they might be able to dig themselves out of this quagmire. It's not about bashing Cadillac - it's about higher expectations. The Blackwing CT6-V. Now that's a monster of a competitive car and its the thing that brings a halo effect and helps sell the other vehicles down the line. Even the Cadillac XLR was an interesting exercise. Cadillac Super Cruise, another innovation. They just have to stop running like it's a rudderless ship.
Well, then the bigger question is this; why use your USA product to introduce this naming convention? Would you expect America to go to metric just to accommodate an electric revolution 25 years from now? In the end, other posters are right - this won't matter much because it's just a badge on the back of a G̶M̶C̶ ̶A̶c̶a̶d̶i̶a̶ Cadillac XT6.
Now if they stick to the CT/XT names for a change they might be able to dig themselves out of this quagmire. It's not about bashing Cadillac - it's about higher expectations. The Blackwing CT6-V. Now that's a monster of a competitive car and its the thing that brings a halo effect and helps sell the other vehicles down the line. Even the Cadillac XLR was an interesting exercise. Cadillac Super Cruise, another innovation. They just have to stop running like it's a rudderless ship.
Well, then the bigger question is this; why use your USA product to introduce this naming convention? Would you expect America to go to metric just to accommodate an electric revolution 25 years from now? In the end, other posters are right - this won't matter much because it's just a badge on the back of a G̶M̶C̶ ̶A̶c̶a̶d̶i̶a̶ Cadillac XT6.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-14-19 at 06:02 PM.
03-14-19, 06:07 PM
#57
Lexus Fanatic
This is a no win discussion. It shouldn't matter if ft-lbs or Nm are used as long as the convention stays the same.
The auto world is global now and it's time the US conformed to the rest of the world and convert to use the Metric system. It was last tried in the seventies but fell by the wayside. I remember freeway exits signed in Kilometers. Cadillac's market is bigger in China now so maybe they know something.
By the way what is a Cubic Kilometer? And how would you compare the 427 Corvette to a Tesla?
The auto world is global now and it's time the US conformed to the rest of the world and convert to use the Metric system. It was last tried in the seventies but fell by the wayside. I remember freeway exits signed in Kilometers. Cadillac's market is bigger in China now so maybe they know something.
By the way what is a Cubic Kilometer? And how would you compare the 427 Corvette to a Tesla?
03-14-19, 06:08 PM
#58
Lexus Champion
So you're saying that putting a "400" on the back of an XT6 before it's hardly out of the gate is some sort of pre-emptive sales strategy to boost sales? Why? Do they need to do that if they're already successful?
03-14-19, 08:44 PM
#59
Lexus Fanatic
Who did we learn from?
03-15-19, 04:55 AM
#60
Lexus Champion
But it still doesn't change the fact that the XT6 is not an electric vehicle. Slapping a badge on it as if it currently is and needs to be measured that way is underhanded brand deception. Tesla and Audi don't state their USA numbers in nM. In fact they're more likely to provide performance figures like 0-60. btw there does not appear to be any manufacturer of mainstream cars or mass market electric cars/suvs that even invokes the metric measurement for torque or even kW in Canada or the USA.
The only metrics that manufacturers started using a long time ago were for engine displacement going from cubic inches to cubic centimeters which rounded to liters.
The only metrics that manufacturers started using a long time ago were for engine displacement going from cubic inches to cubic centimeters which rounded to liters.
The BMW 330 and 340 don't have 3.3/3.4 liter engines.
The MB C300 doesn't have a 3.0 liter engine.
etc, etc.
Are these brands using underhanded deception?