2020 Cadillac CT5 (pricing update post #56)

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02-27-20, 09:29 AM

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Buyers agree, hence why the MKZ failed.

In 2019 Lexus sold 51k (+6%) ES and Lincoln 17k (-11%) MKZ. The trend of each model really stands out. Ford is doing the right thing if they pull the plug on the MKZ. It's unfortunate that for now, they don't have a replacement for it but that's the market right now.

02-27-20, 09:52 AM

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One thing that might (?) help it is that, apart from the aging Chrysler 300, it will have little or no domestic competition....and even the term "domestic" is arguable since Chrysler is part of FCA.

Yes the term 'domestic' is meaningless. Parts and assembly of all models come from and are done all over the world.

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Like I said before, the 300 is aging

It is prehistoric at this point. FCA is happy to make profit from tooling long ago paid for.

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The question, though, is if the CT5 will be too sport-oriented for some buyers. We'll see how the Premium-Luxury version sells....not everyone is going to want the V-models.

The non-V versions i'm sure are very comfortable to drive and ride in.

02-27-20, 10:12 AM

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Proof is in the sales figures. Not sure how anyone can argue it otherwise. I don’t think the just canceled Lacrosse hit 17K in any of the years it was on sale.

02-27-20, 10:27 AM

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Proof is in the sales figures. Not sure how anyone can argue it otherwise. I don’t think the just canceled Lacrosse hit 17K in any of the years it was on sale.

Slow day at work, so...... Lacrosse sales.....

2019 7.241
2018 15.527
2017 20.161
2016 27.582
2015 42.035
2014 51.468
2013 48.798
2012 57.076
2011 58.474
2010 61.178
2009 27.818
2008 36.873
2007 47.747
2006 71.072
2005 92.669
2004 10.995

02-27-20, 10:28 AM

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Lincoln

MKZ / Zephyr

2019 17.725
2018 19.852
2017 27.387
2016 30.534
2015 30.901
2014 34.009
2013 32.361
2012 28.053
2011 27.529
2010 22.535
2009 22.081
2008 30.117
2007 34.363
2006 33.114
2005 4.985

02-27-20, 10:44 AM

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ES

2019 51.336
2018 48.482
2017 51.398
2016 58.299
2015 64.969
2014 72.508
2013 72.581
2012 56.158
2011 40.873
2010 48.652
2009 48.485
2008 64.135
2007 82.867
2006 75.987
2005 67.577

02-27-20, 10:54 AM

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Lincoln

MKZ / Zephyr

2019 17.725
2018 19.852
2017 27.387
2016 30.534
2015 30.901
2014 34.009
2013 32.361
2012 28.053
2011 27.529
2010 22.535
2009 22.081
2008 30.117
2007 34.363
2006 33.114
2005 4.985

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Lexus

ES

2019 51.336
2018 48.482
2017 51.398
2016 58.299
2015 64.969
2014 72.508
2013 72.581
2012 56.158
2011 40.873
2010 48.652
2009 48.485
2008 64.135
2007 82.867
2006 75.987
2005 67.577

Looks like Lexus killed the American FWD Buick and Lincoln is gonna be buried soon.

02-27-20, 11:10 AM

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Looks like Lexus killed the American FWD Buick and Lincoln is gonna be buried soon.

MKZ is a goner... announced a month ago.

02-27-20, 11:37 AM

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Bears out EXACTLY what I said before...very successful until about 2016 or so, then a sudden downturn.

02-27-20, 11:59 AM

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I wonder how much of that has to do with fleet sales. Lacrosse sold to fleets and the ES doesn't. Rental car companies are moving to crossovers too which takes the wind out of the fleet market.

02-27-20, 12:06 PM

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I wonder how much of that has to do with fleet sales. Lacrosse sold to fleets and the ES doesn't. Rental car companies are moving to crossovers too which takes the wind out of the fleet market.

I'm sure there were some Lacrosse fleet-rentals, but nothing like the huge number of Malibus or Cruzes.

02-27-20, 12:11 PM

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Bears out EXACTLY what I said before...very successful until about 2016 or so, then a sudden downturn.

I wouldn't say "very" successful. Look at how much fluctuation there is in those sales numbers, and what a steep drop off there is after -- what I'm assuming -- each updated version debuts. Some solid numbers in those figures, but not the consistency that I would attribute to a 'very successful' model.

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I wonder how much of that has to do with fleet sales. Lacrosse sold to fleets and the ES doesn't. Rental car companies are moving to crossovers too which takes the wind out of the fleet market.

That might explain that drop off.

02-28-20, 04:32 AM

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Another possibility on gm sedan death is they've been trying to back away from huge incentives/rebates, but that left the cars not so price-competitive, and sales tanked.