2020 Cadillac CT5 (pricing update post #56)
#16
Sweet Mazda 6 front bumper...wonder if they are still going to use a gage cluster designed in 1995.
Who buys Cadillacs.....especially new lol
I’m sorry but I’ve driven quite a few GM vehicles and for the most part they were all awful except for a new Traverse and it was just OK.
Its not just American crappiness either, I have been truly impressed with several recent Ford products....so we must have competent automotive people somewhere in this country.
I predict this car is trash and will not sell. GM needs to stick to pickups and Escalades, they have no clue how to make anything else competitive.
Who buys Cadillacs.....especially new lol
I’m sorry but I’ve driven quite a few GM vehicles and for the most part they were all awful except for a new Traverse and it was just OK.
Its not just American crappiness either, I have been truly impressed with several recent Ford products....so we must have competent automotive people somewhere in this country.
I predict this car is trash and will not sell. GM needs to stick to pickups and Escalades, they have no clue how to make anything else competitive.
#17
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Sweet Mazda 6 front bumper...wonder if they are still going to use a gage cluster designed in 1995.
Who buys Cadillacs.....especially new lol
I’m sorry but I’ve driven quite a few GM vehicles and for the most part they were all awful except for a new Traverse and it was just OK.
Its not just American crappiness either, I have been truly impressed with several recent Ford products....so we must have competent automotive people somewhere in this country.
I predict this car is trash and will not sell. GM needs to stick to pickups and Escalades, they have no clue how to make anything else competitive.
Who buys Cadillacs.....especially new lol
I’m sorry but I’ve driven quite a few GM vehicles and for the most part they were all awful except for a new Traverse and it was just OK.
Its not just American crappiness either, I have been truly impressed with several recent Ford products....so we must have competent automotive people somewhere in this country.
I predict this car is trash and will not sell. GM needs to stick to pickups and Escalades, they have no clue how to make anything else competitive.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-18-19 at 06:24 PM.
#19
Any RWD based or body on frame Lexus fit/finish, interior/exterior design, and durability are far beyond anything from GM.
Maybe some higher end GM cars have better infotainment and phone integration.
There are stupid, easy to fix things that could greatly improve the experience. Why do the gages always have to look so outdated? Why are they using the same door chime as my childhood caprice wagon??? Why are the interior plastics terrible? Why are the windshield wiper controls on the turn signal stalk?? So much unmitigated stupid.
Maybe some higher end GM cars have better infotainment and phone integration.
There are stupid, easy to fix things that could greatly improve the experience. Why do the gages always have to look so outdated? Why are they using the same door chime as my childhood caprice wagon??? Why are the interior plastics terrible? Why are the windshield wiper controls on the turn signal stalk?? So much unmitigated stupid.
#20
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Any RWD based or body on frame Lexus fit/finish, interior/exterior design, and durability are far beyond anything from GM.
Maybe some higher end GM cars have better infotainment and phone integration.
There are stupid, easy to fix things that could greatly improve the experience. Why do the gages always have to look so outdated? Why are they using the same door chime as my childhood caprice wagon??? Why are the interior plastics terrible? Why are the windshield wiper controls on the turn signal stalk?? So much unmitigated stupid.
Maybe some higher end GM cars have better infotainment and phone integration.
There are stupid, easy to fix things that could greatly improve the experience. Why do the gages always have to look so outdated? Why are they using the same door chime as my childhood caprice wagon??? Why are the interior plastics terrible? Why are the windshield wiper controls on the turn signal stalk?? So much unmitigated stupid.
#21
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
so much whining and condescension because cadillac...
Because YOU don’t want one therefore it should be cheap.
You mean like the lexus es350?
Because YOU don’t want one therefore it should be cheap.
You mean like the lexus es350?
Last edited by bitkahuna; 03-19-19 at 07:19 AM.
#23
Lexus Test Driver
Rehashing pieces from the horrible and failed Saturn ION is really a bad idea for Cadillac. But then again, Cadillac does horrible ideas very well. Wouldn't be surprised if that rear side window has the same part number.
#24
Lexus Fanatic
Virtually all the Cadillacs look good to me on the road. Nowadays, there is extensive LED treatment on big rigs--some with 300+ LEDs. I think Cadillac was the first with this which would imply they know style.
I don't know much about their powertrains, and in my mind again I thought that Ford was out ahead. Lincolns look good too.
Does anybody really think Lexus makes good looking cars today lol
I don't know much about their powertrains, and in my mind again I thought that Ford was out ahead. Lincolns look good too.
Does anybody really think Lexus makes good looking cars today lol
#26
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Sometimes you have to give the credit for some brands. It’s funny how all these anti-Lexus threads come and pop up about no LSV8 and then Cadillac is apparently doing the right thing with a new V8 that is modern, and you just hear hate. The new Blackwing engine is handcrafted in the same way AMG does it. What does Lexus do with thier ancient 5.0?
#27
Lexus Fanatic
Cadillac has some impressive stuff. This is why I think their might be some envy in some of the responses on here, it’s just hate for the sake of hating. 272hp for the 2.0, the 3.6 is at 335hp. And Cadillac has a 3.0 clearing 400hp. Then you have the V cars, I think 550hp in the CTS and the new Blackwing I think is over 600hp. I forgot, Escalade is over 400hp.
Sometimes you have to give the credit for some brands. It’s funny how all these anti-Lexus threads come and pop up about no LSV8 and then Cadillac is apparently doing the right thing with a new V8 that is modern, and you just hear hate. The new Blackwing engine is handcrafted in the same way AMG does it. What does Lexus do with thier ancient 5.0?
p.s. While it's true that there are some huge numbers being put out by 4 and 6 cyl cars, that's software and turbocharging. A 2007 BMW 3 liter (actually 2979 cc) could do 380 HP with mapping, but that's not always how one wants to achieve the numbers.
#29
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Or the other explanation is that Lexus is just being super cheap and are behind in their engines. The NA thing is cute, but the whole industry is selling turbos.
#30
Lead Lap
I wonder what Cadillac can do to bring "conquest" customers in. Almost everyone going after the big three german brands, really have made spectacular vehicles but really have not brought in the traffic, even if the the big three brands make a terrible car. (F10 5 series)