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Old 05-28-19 | 09:03 PM
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I don't think that's entirely true, give that the Opel-derived Buick Encore (a rebadged European Opel Mokka) has been Buick's top seller for years, and has made the division a lot of money, even right here in the U.S. Chevy also sells a lot of Opel-derived Trax models, but not as many as the Encore.
Sorry, Mike. I know you are a long-time Buick, GM and especially Opel fan, but look at this article from July 2018.

Opel and Vauxhall were big money losers for General Motors. A year after they were cast aside, the brands are making hundreds of millions for their new French owners.

PSA Group said Tuesday that Germany's Opel and its UK sister brand Vauxhall generated an operating profit of €502 million ($587 million) in the first six months of the year.

It's a stunning turnaround for brands that GM sold for €2.2 billion ($2.6 billion) in August 2017 after years of heavy losses. Shares in PSA (PUGOY), which also owns Peugeot and Citroën, rocketed up 14% in Paris after the company released its earnings.

Philippe Houchois, an auto analyst at Jefferies, said the shift was fueled by better management, cost cutting and a focus on selling more profitable models.

PSA sold nearly 572,000 Opel and Vauxhall models in the first half of 2018, down from the 609,000 that GM sold in the same period last year. But many of the cars GM (GM) sold were unprofitable, said Houchois.

The carmaker said that fixed costs had been slashed nearly 30%.

Houchois said savings had been achieved by negotiating better prices from suppliers and using more components produced by PSA. The French company also cut back on marketing and offered workers voluntary exit packages.

PSA chief executive Carlos Tavares also deserves credit for the turnaround, said Houchois.

"There's a drive [in Tavares] that we cannot underestimate," he said. "He's got some of the management style of Sergio Marchionne," the charismatic auto executive who rescued Chrysler.

GM managers, in contrast, had "neglected" Opel and "failed to grasp what was going on in Europe," according to Houchois.

With the brands on the road to recovery, PSA is now looking beyond Europe to grow GM's cast-offs.

PSA plans to export Opel cars to 20 new countries within five years. South Africa, Tunisia and Egypt are among the target markets, said Karine Douet, a spokesperson for PSA.

"This is just the beginning," she said.

The sale of Opel to PSA ended nearly a century of GM ownership. The US carmaker had not posted a full-year profit in its European operations since 1999.
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Originally Posted by Sulu
Opel and Vauxhall were big money losers for General Motors.
I wasn't necessarily referring to the entire relationship between the two companies.....yes, that was quite complex, and probably couldn't be described in just one short article. What I was mostly refering to was that a lot of Opel-derived Encores (and, to a lesser extent, Trax) models were sold, and GM made money on each one because their popularity meant that they didn't have to give them away like they did some other vehicles.

I know you are a long-time Buick, GM and especially Opel fan,

Although I sometimes do talk opinion as a fan, here, I was being objective, not talking as a fanboy. Whether a company actually makes money or not on a vehicle is not necessarily dependent on how many fans may be pushing that vehicle in forums or in social-media.
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Just imagine what kind of garbage that monstrosity of a company could produce lol
Old 05-28-19 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sivikvtec
Just imagine what kind of garbage that monstrosity of a company could produce lol
Not everything FCA produces is garbage. Charger, Challenger, 300, Grand Cherokee, Wrangler, and Ram customers, despite the sometimes iffy reliability of their products, all have a very high customer satisfaction rate.
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apparently this is dead already.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
apparently this is dead already.
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Old 06-06-19 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
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It's been pretty widely reported this week.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...ssan-rejected/

In yet another rejected attempt at a merger, Fiat Chrysler has withdrawn its offer for a proposed merger with Renault just one week after initially submitting the proposal. According to the Wall Street Journal, it wasn't Renault who rejected the 50/50 arrangement, but Nissan.
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It's been pretty widely reported this week.
One would have thought that, with Fiat being one of Renault's main competitors Europe for so many years, Renault's leaders would have jumped at the chance. Of course, if the French Government says no, then no it is. Like the proposed GM/Ford merger in the U.S. (which I also think will not get approved) the result would probably be just too big and monolithic.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
One would have thought that, with Fiat being one of Renault's main competitors Europe for so many years, Renault's leaders would have jumped at the chance. Of course, if the French Government says no, then no it is. Like the proposed GM/Ford merger in the U.S. (which I also think will not get approved) the result would probably be just too big and monolithic.
Renault wanted it but Nissan did not.

UPDATE 6/6/19: Renault issued a statement today expressing "disappointment" about the withdrawal of the FCA merger proposal. In the statement, Renault confirmed reports that it had itself supported the plan. "We view the opportunity as timely, having compelling industrial logic and great financial merit, and which would result in a European-based global auto powerhouse," the company said. "Further, we believe it emphasizes the attractiveness of Renault and of the Alliance." Officials in the French government, which holds 15 percent in Renault, could not convince Nissan to vote in support but said they hope talks with FCA will resume later.
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Now analysts are wondering if merger talks between FCA and PSA are next now that FCA/Renault-Nissan has failed
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Now analysts are wondering if merger talks between FCA and PSA are next now that FCA/Renault-Nissan has failed
This wouldn't surprise me. If FCA is looking for a marriage, they'll keep looking. PSA won't have Nissan to say no.
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Originally Posted by JDR76
This wouldn't surprise me. If FCA is looking for a marriage, they'll keep looking. PSA won't have Nissan to say no.
First there was Match.com. Next there will be Merge.com for automakers
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Now analysts are wondering if merger talks between FCA and PSA are next now that FCA/Renault-Nissan has failed
Now that would be interesting. Imagine if a new FCA-PSA imported Opel (sold by GM to PSA in 2017) vehicles to North America. That would be Chrysler thumbing its nose at cross-town rival GM.
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Originally Posted by JDR76
Renault wanted it but Nissan did not.
Nissan claimed from the start that it was not notified by FCA of the proposed merger. And Nissan has been unhappy with its alliance with Renault. Renault owns 43% of Nissan but Nissan only has 15% of Renault.
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Originally Posted by Sulu
Now that would be interesting. Imagine if a new FCA-PSA imported Opel (sold by GM to PSA in 2017) vehicles to North America. That would be Chrysler thumbing its nose at cross-town rival GM.
Marshall would get his beloved Opel's back



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