Toys4RJill

Lexus IS already doing this for LC and LS owners. You are also seeing it with Mazda and some of their models. Best selling RX? For sure.

Sulu

Toyota claimed that Apple and Google collected too much information if CarPlay and Android Auto were implemented and used. Those claims seemed to be backed up by other automakers (Porsche being one, if I remember).

When Apple CarPlay was implemented on Toyota's Entune 3.0 Display Audio system and Lexus' similar Enform Audio 2.0 Plus last year, Toyota said that they had come to an agreement with Apple as to what data would be collected by CarPlay; I assume that Toyota and Google have now come to an agreement as to what data would be collected by Android Auto. Apple and especially Google, have come under increasing scrutiny about their privacy policies and user data they collect and send back, so it makes sense that they are now more willing to negotiate with automakers as to what data the apps collect.

As to retrofitting Android Auto on older models that did not offer it, given that Android Auto also runs -- like Apple CarPlay -- on Entune 3.0 and Enform Audio 2.0, I assume that 2018 model year and newer models can be retrofitted.

The reason for this is software (and possibly hardware) compatibility. Versions of Toyota's and Lexus' infotainment systems prior to Entune 3.0 and Enform Audio 2.0 used a very robust but older Blackberry QNX operating system, whereas the newest infotainment systems use an Automotive Linux operating system; QNX would not support Apple CarPlay and Android Auto but Linux will. Older Toyota and Lexus models with the QNX-based operating system will not be retrofitted by Toyota.

bitkahuna

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great post!

Toys4RJill

Interesting comments, I don't believe most of what Toyota is telling us.

Toyota also signed on to Apple Car Play way back in 2013 or so. I

Blackberry QNX works with Apple Carplay. QNX technology is used in 120 million vehicles worldwide. They have doubled their install base in the last three years. Audi, BMW, Ford, GM, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar Land Rover, KIA, Maserati, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Toyota, and Volkswagen all use it.

Toyota is full of it. They just did not want to do it as they were being cheap. The same cars in Japan or Australia are not available with Apple Car Play, but they use the same software in Corolla or ES and RAV

Let's think this through. A major corporation such as Toyota, who signed on to Apple Car Play back in 2013 or so, did not have the forward thinking ability to build in the backdoor way of adding or retrofitting Apple Car or Android Auto to their most popular cars. That is absurd.

Hoovey689

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Let's think this through. A major corporation knew some cars (2018) but not all cars ('14, '15..) would not get a retrofit... hence the consumer must BUY a new car... that is genius.

bitkahuna

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great post too!

Toys4RJill

Yet a little company like Mazda does a retrofit upgrade of both software and hardware to their cars/suvs dating back to 2014. Toyota buyers are not going to upgrade their car for CP/AA.

Toyota is already charging 2018 LC or LS owners for the upgrade. Same with Madza.

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

Mazda is small, always needs something to bring someone into the showroom or get their name out vs Toyota, Honda, Nissan.

It's an option to upgrade. And if you own a LC or LS you have an average house-hold income over over $250,000. You're probably going to buy it.

Toys4RJill

You really like to defend Toyota and their Car Play decision, I do not understand why? Toyota is now offering retrofit upgrades to the Sienna and Camry for 2018 MY. So jot sure what the $250K income has to do with anything.

spwolf

it was already explained to you that those vehicles have new system that they can upgrade, while old system they cant... Mazda can upgrade old system too, most manufacturers can not.

Toys4RJill

Are we supposed to believe that? LOL People need to call out Toyota for once. If Mazda can software and hardware retrofit their cars dating back to 2014 and Toyota cannot, then we must believe that only Toyota Certified Technicians can service Toyota cars. Absurd.

coolsaber

While Sulu offered the technical aspect, lets just chalk in Volume and business case 101. If I can sell old tech in great enough number, why even bother retrofitting. Props to Mazda for offerin it, but Lexus could care less of those sold units, as their is no obligation to explore whether QNX could be retrofitted. (Thankfully there are aftermarket options currently used in the 16-19 with wireless CP/AA etc)

Toys4RJill

Or they could care and thus maybe they will offer it at some point. Time will tell.

QNX is not the problem. QNX is compatible with Apple Car Play and Android Auto.

coolsaber

I wouldnt hold my breath on the later. Without any sort of CP/AA the RX has led the pack in sales..

Toys4RJill

Agreed. However Lexus did add it afterall to the 2020 model.