2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V
06-01-19, 10:21 AM
#46
Lexus Fanatic
OK, fine.....if Caddy has changed its lever, I wasn't aware of it. Up till now, though, GM has used that L-shift lever (for reverse) in a number of different Chevy, Buick, and Cadillac products.
06-01-19, 01:11 PM
#47
Lexus Fanatic
Autoblog is reporting that Cadillac V was demoted to Audi S status to cash in on Cadillac V cache. Aka so they can have more “V” models including XT4-V and XT5-V. It’s a marketing ploy at the expense of diluting the V brand, aka cash grab. Just like the Germans. The only difference is the Germans kept their names intact. Why these Cadillac’s couldn’t just be V-Sport or V-Lite is beyond me.
Lots of brands have changed something. Starbucks went to automated espresso pours. IMAX went digital. Coca-Cola no longer uses cane sugar and now uses high fructose. GMC was one GMC Truck....Labatt Beer was onces Labatt's....hell, Lexus used to have a flagship with a V8.... So what? Cadillac changed their V brand.
06-01-19, 01:56 PM
#48
Lexus Fanatic
06-01-19, 08:36 PM
#49
Lexus Fanatic
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I try to see it from a more positive angle. Why is everything Cadillac so negative? I am glad to see Cadillac announce not one, but two sedans. Pleased to see Cadillac announce powertrain numbers unlike Lexus which does the dumb thing of keeping them secret. I think its smart to offer an I4, V6, and a V8 for their V-series cars. Nice to see that these cars will be manufactured in the USA.
Lots of brands have changed something. Starbucks went to automated espresso pours. IMAX went digital. Coca-Cola no longer uses cane sugar and now uses high fructose. GMC was one GMC Truck....Labatt Beer was onces Labatt's....hell, Lexus used to have a flagship with a V8.... So what? Cadillac changed their V brand.
Lots of brands have changed something. Starbucks went to automated espresso pours. IMAX went digital. Coca-Cola no longer uses cane sugar and now uses high fructose. GMC was one GMC Truck....Labatt Beer was onces Labatt's....hell, Lexus used to have a flagship with a V8.... So what? Cadillac changed their V brand.
06-01-19, 10:53 PM
#50
I try to see it from a more positive angle. Why is everything Cadillac so negative? I am glad to see Cadillac announce not one, but two sedans. Pleased to see Cadillac announce powertrain numbers unlike Lexus which does the dumb thing of keeping them secret. I think its smart to offer an I4, V6, and a V8 for their V-series cars. Nice to see that these cars will be manufactured in the USA.
1st Gen V's (V1)
- CTS-V
- STS-V
- XLR-V
2nd Gen V's (V2)
- CTS-V
- CTS-V Coupe
- CTS-V Sport Wagon
3rd Gen V's (V3)
- CTS-V
- ATS-V
- ATS-V Coupe
Lots of brands have changed something. Starbucks went to automated espresso pours. IMAX went digital. Coca-Cola no longer uses cane sugar and now uses high fructose. GMC was one GMC Truck....Labatt Beer was onces Labatt's....hell, Lexus used to have a flagship with a V8.... So what? Cadillac changed their V brand.
06-02-19, 04:51 AM
#51
Lexus Fanatic
Because Cadillac was once the "Standard of the World". In the early 2000s Cadillac was on the decline. Bob Lutz and John Heinricy led development of the V-Series to bring Cadillac back to the limelight as well as take aim at the Teutonic trio of Germans. They came up with their own letter to counter AMG, M and RS, thus V was born. V standing for 'Velocity'. These cars were developed to take on arch rivals C and E AMGs, M3 and M5. 15 years later Cadillac is throwing in the towel and letting off the gas pedal. What a shame.
The M brand has been all over the place with their engines. They have had I6, V10, V12, V8 and yes, just like the upcoming Cadillacs, an I4. In fact, an M3 when from a V8 in the past, to the current I6. And the original M3 even had an I4. More fact, the very first 5 series was called an M535i, now its called an M5
Over at AMG, was the idea that a handcrafted engine was a hallmark of AMG? Now they don't always handbuild the engines.
Let's raise more hell: AMG unknown to my knowledge until now even has a AMG Black Series line. mmmmmm Cadillac CT5-V 550 Blackwing sounds pretty cool
Finally, Cadillac has confirmed that their will be more V series models which will focus on racetrack performance. So what is the issue?
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-02-19 at 05:23 AM.
06-02-19, 05:39 AM
#53
Lexus Test Driver
Right, they were once the so called "Standard of the World", but that was a long, long time ago. The V brand has not brought Cadillac back to their former glory of being the "Standard of the World" The V brand has made Cadillac interesting to say the least, their CTS-V is every bit as good as an AMG and far superior to what Lexus has thrown together. But, it seems GM is convinced that those cars will not sell, they have said that their customers sort of rejected or were intimidated by the ATS-V, (too powerful of a car I guess). My guess is that Cadillac will ditch the regular CT4/CT5 models and just run with these models.
Yes, all very good cars. There is also the CT6-V so let us not forget that model.
The M brand has been all over the place with their engines. They have had I6, V10, V12, V8 and yes, just like the upcoming Cadillacs, an I4. In fact, an M3 when from a V8 in the past, to the current I6. And the original M3 even had an I4. More fact, the very first 5 series was called an M535i, now its called an M5
Over at AMG, was the idea that a handcrafted engine was a hallmark of AMG? Now they don't always handbuild the engines.
Let's raise more hell: AMG unknown to my knowledge until now even has a AMG Black Series line. mmmmmm Cadillac CT5-V 550 Blackwing sounds pretty cool
Finally, Cadillac has confirmed that their will be more V series models which will focus on racetrack performance. So what is the issue?
Yes, all very good cars. There is also the CT6-V so let us not forget that model.
The M brand has been all over the place with their engines. They have had I6, V10, V12, V8 and yes, just like the upcoming Cadillacs, an I4. In fact, an M3 when from a V8 in the past, to the current I6. And the original M3 even had an I4. More fact, the very first 5 series was called an M535i, now its called an M5
Over at AMG, was the idea that a handcrafted engine was a hallmark of AMG? Now they don't always handbuild the engines.
Let's raise more hell: AMG unknown to my knowledge until now even has a AMG Black Series line. mmmmmm Cadillac CT5-V 550 Blackwing sounds pretty cool
Finally, Cadillac has confirmed that their will be more V series models which will focus on racetrack performance. So what is the issue?
They have NEVER introduced a new generation M/AMG model that is NOT superior in performance. They have also added model lines or special editions (ie CS, CSL, Black Series etc)
The very first M5 was E28 generation. The previous M535i did not have M engine and never sold in US. The M brand was not even established at that point.
What Cadillac did is a joke! Not to mention flushed down the drain the V brand and spit in the face of existing owners who took a chance on the V brand and shelled out their $$$$$.
The sad part is they could of just called these cars Vsport as that was already established.
Last edited by RNM GS3; 06-02-19 at 05:53 AM.
06-02-19, 05:40 AM
#54
Lexus Fanatic
Aren't you a nasty one.
You changed and modified this.
You changed and modified this.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-02-19 at 05:58 AM.
06-02-19, 05:56 AM
#55
Lexus Test Driver
My post is not meant to be mean but you are not using facts and your knowledge is lacking in certain aspects yet you still keep on doubling down on your argument.......
06-02-19, 06:01 AM
#56
Lexus Test Driver
Good article that summarizes this debacle.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/31/...021&yptr=yahoo
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/31/...021&yptr=yahoo
More Vs is the advantage here. But diluting what V means is a big disadvantage of this move. BMW, Mercedes and Audi all kept their top-tier performance car names when going through this transition. Mercedes briefly started out making AMG Sports (that didn't work) before going headlong into the AMG 43, 53 and 63 performance system we have now. Perhaps much of this confusion could have been avoided if Cadillac had introduced the supposed faster models first, and then introduced these V Lite variants. Everybody would be happy that they could get some of the goodies from a full-on V with manageable horsepower and a reasonable price. We expect these hotter cars to eventually be introduced, but it's the uncertainty around them, and the total 180 on V that forces doubt into all our minds about this move.
06-02-19, 06:11 AM
#57
Lexus Test Driver
06-02-19, 06:11 AM
#58
Lexus Fanatic
Anyways, you are right that the M brand has built upon its predecessors. However, in this case Cadillac is changing their brand somewhat. There still is a brand new V8 in the CT6V, but now they have offered something in the I4, V6 range and thus making their cars more appealing and accessible.
Brands change all the time. Big freaking deal. Cadillac has said will have higher V models that are track ready.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-02-19 at 06:21 AM.
06-02-19, 10:10 AM
#59
Lexus Fanatic
Well, I'm not one to "crap" on Cadillac per se, but when one looks at the latest generation of Lincoln products, their materials, and their solidness/fit and finish, Cadillac seems definitely in second place.
06-02-19, 12:10 PM
#60
Lexus Fanatic
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