theory on Toyota strategy...
#121
I still remember this thread. At this point, the incredible cash on hand for Toyota will put them in incredible position once this COVID-19 disaster is in the clear. While I don't believe Toyota ever saw a global pandemic coming, I do believe they were expecting an economic downturn at some point, and here it comes. I have always maintained that models such as 4Runner, Land Cruiser, LX, Tundra, Tacoma and then Lexus with IS, or GS and GX and many delayed engines were delayed with intention of a downturn.
I have disagreed with many of your opinions in the past, but your post above is by far the worst. Sometimes message boards and opinions are not a good thing.
I am more concerned about people that have lost jobs or will lose jobs, whether temporary or permanent. I could care less how these auto makers turn out. Heck, in certain areas you can’t even purchase bread, eggs or TP. Crazy values.
Carry on
#122
Lexus Fanatic
So, someone started a share something positive thread or funny COVID-19 thread, which at first I did not agree with. Source I do now.
Sorry, but nobody could have planned on this coming. The economy was doing very well before this “pandemic” hit. Toyota has lost sales due to slow reactions to market preferences. What is the opportunity cost of that?
I have disagreed with many of your opinions in the past, but your post above is by far the worst. Sometimes message boards and opinions are not a good thing.
I have disagreed with many of your opinions in the past, but your post above is by far the worst. Sometimes message boards and opinions are not a good thing.
At this moment in time, the opportunity cost now is that Toyota is not burdened by expensive new products such as Escalade, upcoming Bronco, or high-end sedans such as new GS models. Expensive next-generation 4Runners, Land Cruiser or LX570s are not going to be weighing them down at this moment. Consumers will be shifting to lower-priced cars.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 03-21-20 at 09:58 AM.
#123
We can agree to disagree. What I am seeing is unprecedented and something one cannot plan for. I hope this is short term and this blows over. Certain segments of the population have gone mad and lost their ability to reason and have lost all common sense. I saw someone at a BJs wholesale club rip a case of TP from someone else’s shopping cart. Car sales are the last thing I am thinking about at this point. I am fine and my family is fine, but the hoarding going on today is absolutely nuts.
#124
Lexus Fanatic
We can agree to disagree. What I am seeing is unprecedented and something one cannot plan for. I hope this is short term and this blows over. Certain segments of the population have gone mad and lost their ability to reason and have lost all common sense. I saw someone at a BJs wholesale club rip a case of TP from someone else’s shopping cart. Car sales are the last thing I am thinking about at this point. I am fine and my family is fine, but the hoarding going on today is absolutely nuts.
In January I was busy traveling and thinking S63 AMG. I'm not even remotely thinking of a S63 AMG today. My wife went to BJs on Wed. and there was plenty of toilet paper and I texted her to get 2 lol but she said no and got 1. She said many others just got 1 as well (a 30 pack). I truly don't think we ever got the craziness of NYC and northern NJ. I count my blessings that I got a good bump in pay and bonus as this was emerging (I even thought dang maybe next year will not be so I've been on a tear since 2015), and I can work from home. I feel for those whose livelihoods are either severely hampered or simply gone. Some of my friends are still traveling and on the road long term. I wonder to myself, what would I do in that situation? It would be depressing to be away from home in that case.
Now on the original topic I think Toyota will almost never build anything exciting. I drove the 2020 Camry on a long trip and I liked it. But it's a bread and butter, nice, car. They have dinosaurs of engines that produce no torque at all but the audience is ok with it. When they needed a powertrain for the Supra they had to go to BMW. I saw one today at Lowe's and the owner was mid 70's which I thought was interesting.
#125
Now on the original topic I think Toyota will almost never build anything exciting. I drove the 2020 Camry on a long trip and I liked it. But it's a bread and butter, nice, car. They have dinosaurs of engines that produce no torque at all but the audience is ok with it. When they needed a powertrain for the Supra they had to go to BMW. I saw one today at Lowe's and the owner was mid 70's which I thought was interesting.
#126
What driveline is that spwolf?
Camry AWD?
Camry AWD?
#127
Lexus Fanatic
Not sure exactly what that is but it looks like a 3 cyl car that isn't sold in North America, so whatever it is (Yaris maybe) Toyota's strategy is to sell it in Japan and probably Europe. At least we still get Camrys which really aren't bad cars at all, just bread and butter and likely uber reliable, nice and not exciting by any stretch.
#128
Lexus Fanatic
I'm gonna guess Yaris because it looks like a 3 cyl engine turned sideways, and it looks like GR on the plastic cover although too small to make out. Honda sells some pretty exciting Civics and even below the screamer it only comes in a stick. My point is Toyota has nothing like that. Not even a Supra comes in a stick but it's not a Toyota powertrain, and the BMW too has no stick. If it did, the Toyota would. Imagine Honda's strategy--you build the top and below top Civics and they have no automatics at all. That's pretty exciting for that segment.
#129
Lexus Champion
^^^ Sometimes a little attribution can help when posting pictures.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...-cylinder.html
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...-cylinder.html
#130
Lexus Fanatic
Now on the original topic I think Toyota will almost never build anything exciting. I drove the 2020 Camry on a long trip and I liked it. But it's a bread and butter, nice, car. They have dinosaurs of engines that produce no torque at all but the audience is ok with it. When they needed a powertrain for the Supra they had to go to BMW. I saw one today at Lowe's and the owner was mid 70's which I thought was interesting.
#131
Lexus Fanatic
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Well for one thing i think the v8s are gone in next gen LC/LX/GX.
#132
#133
Lexus Fanatic
Now on the original topic I think Toyota will almost never build anything exciting. I drove the 2020 Camry on a long trip and I liked it. But it's a bread and butter, nice, car. They have dinosaurs of engines that produce no torque at all but the audience is ok with it.
#134
Lexus Test Driver
#135
Lexus Fanatic
If one notices, the way to tell a car has a dinosaur engine is despite fooling around with HP numbers, a V6 engine short of turbocharging plateaus at around 260-270 ft. lbs. We saw this game at GM where one car has 288 HP, another 305 HP, some 320+, but all had roughly the same inadequate 260-270 ft lbs. It's basically a 2008 engine in a 2020 car.
It's physics and the definition of HP, I almost would say 5252 doesn't mean much to many.