Telluride and Palisade pack an early 1-2 punch in 3 row SUV market
06-29-19 | 07:18 PM
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06-29-19 | 10:07 PM
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06-30-19 | 08:35 AM
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06-30-19 | 09:51 AM
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06-30-19 | 01:01 PM
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Making the already pretty small Highlander SMALLER doesn't make any sense to me. Then you have the RX350L which is just useless as a 3 row vehicle because its so small. Not really sure what Toyota is doing here with these 3 rows
06-30-19 | 01:12 PM
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It does make sense if you look what Toyota is after. They are not after the person who wants 10 more cubic feet of space, and a competitive Hyundai like price. They are after those who want driving dynamics, and a sleek or modern new looks. That is where the industry in cross-overs is headed, Toyota has downsized the Corolla, Corolla hatch, RAV4, Avalon, LS500, offered a smaller UX, and now they are making the Highlander, longer, more tapered but with less cubic feet (from the rear roof)....all of the mentioned ride better, handle better, and finally get better reviews as per dynamics and looks than ever before. This is how they can continue to charge more money than their direct competition...and they are hoping people will pay for these attributes. Eventually, if space is the problem and you truly "need" more than 73 cubic feet of space, you upsize to a new Sequoia cross-over or whatever Lexus version they are selling...
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06-30-19 | 01:23 PM
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It does make sense if you look what Toyota is after. They are not after the person who wants 10 more cubic feet of space, and a competitive Hyundai like price. They are after those who want driving dynamics, and a sleek or modern new looks. That is where the industry in cross-overs is headed, Toyota has downsized the Corolla, Corolla hatch, RAV4, Avalon, LS500, offered a smaller UX, and now they are making the Highlander, longer, more tapered but with less cubic feet (from the rear roof)....all of the mentioned ride better, handle better, and finally get better reviews as per dynamics and looks than ever before. This is how they can continue to charge more money than their direct competition...and they are hoping people will pay for these attributes. Eventually, if space is the problem and you truly "need" more than 73 cubic feet of space, you upsize to a new Sequoia cross-over or whatever Lexus version they are selling...I do not expect you to agree with me LOL
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06-30-19 | 01:29 PM
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Good example is the Mazda CX-9.Love the vehicle, it looks great, drives great...but its just too small. Its really a 2 row vehicle that has an "emergency" third row. Perhaps thats what Toyota is after too, but I think thats the wrong approach
06-30-19 | 01:35 PM
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That doesn't make a whole lot of sense lol. These vehicles are direct competitors, I'm a family with two kids, I'm the pretty target demographic for both of these vehicles. Nobody WANTS less space in this demographic, they may compromise and accept less space in exchange for other benefits, but nobody looks at a 3 row crossover and says "you know, I like that it has less room inside". The tradeoff for the Highlander is going to be that "its a Toyota" which means a lot to a lot of people, but not to me.
Making the already pretty small Highlander SMALLER doesn't make any sense to me. Then you have the RX350L which is just useless as a 3 row vehicle because its so small. Not really sure what Toyota is doing here with these 3 rows
Making the already pretty small Highlander SMALLER doesn't make any sense to me. Then you have the RX350L which is just useless as a 3 row vehicle because its so small. Not really sure what Toyota is doing here with these 3 rows
The existing Highlander already had about 8 inches less total leg room for the 3 rows than the Palisade and a lot less cargo space.
06-30-19 | 01:40 PM
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It makes one wonder about recent Toyota product planning doesn't it? The LS500 is now as large as an LS460L but with less space than the LS460. The RC built on a "Frankenstein" platform that uses part of an out of production convertible chassis! It must be expensive to produce and is very heavy compared to competition. An all new flagship sports car that is virtually all BMW mechanicals? Strange!
The existing Highlander already had about 8 inches less total leg room for the 3 rows than the Palisade and a lot less cargo space.
The existing Highlander already had about 8 inches less total leg room for the 3 rows than the Palisade and a lot less cargo space.
06-30-19 | 03:25 PM
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The new Highlander gained cargo space behind the 3rd row. Overall cargo space with both back rows folded decreased by 10 cu. ft. I Am yet to see interior measurements of the second and third row, but I believe they’re likely bigger as a result of the longer wheelbase. I suspect the smaller cargo room with all seats folded does not equate to an interior volume 10 cu. ft. smaller. It just means the load floor, with seats folded, is probably higher. That’s be a good move as the current gen’s second row was too low.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...r-photos-info/
There’s 16.1 cubic feet of cargo space behind the third row, but folding it flat increases the cargo area to 40.6 cubic feet. Folding both second and third rows flat opens up 73.3 cubes for cargo duty. Compared to the outgoing Highlander, those figures represent increases of 2.3 (behind the third row) and 1.7 cubic feet (behind the second row), but a decrease of 10.4 cubic feet of total storage with both rows folded, according to official EPA cargo volume measurements.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...r-photos-info/
06-30-19 | 03:28 PM
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The new Highlander gained cargo space behind the 3rd row. Overall cargo space with both back rows folded decreased by 10 cu. ft. I Am yet to see interior measurements of the second and third row, but I believe they’re likely bigger as a result of the longer wheelbase. I suspect the smaller cargo room with all seats folded does not equate to an interior volume 10 cu. ft. smaller. It just means the load floor, with seats folded, is probably higher. That’s be a good move as the current gen’s second row was too low.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...r-photos-info/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...r-photos-info/
Total cargo volume doesnt worry me as we dont haul things with the seats folded really ever. What we need is passenger leg room and cargo volume with the third row up and the third row down.
06-30-19 | 06:38 PM
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The only problem with all rows in use is the cargo room. In that configuration there’s only 13.8 cu ft back there. The new one, at over 16, should be much improved.
Our lease is up in a few weeks and we’ll buy it out. It’s just been perfect for our family. 3 years and only 3 oil changes. Not a single rattle or warranty issue. 28-30 mpg. Just a fantastic vehicle for us.
07-01-19 | 09:12 AM
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With my kids still in car seats moving those to the back is too big a PITA for a trip out to dinner, etc. When we go to the beach and my mom is with us the whole time we do put them back there and drop one of the middle row seats into the stow n go and she sits in the other one.