Stopped and saw a 2020 Hyundai Palisade and a 2020 Ford Explorer today
07-09-19, 06:55 PM
#46
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I actually liked the Blazer a lot when I saw it in person
07-09-19, 07:33 PM
#47
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I chuckle when someone declares a new model of a car an ‘insult’ to some prior version of said car.
reminds how pretty much every new gen of corvette that comes out has owners of prior gens ‘insulted’ and upset that various so called ‘traditions’ have been broken.
can’t make a good omelette without breaking some eggs.
reminds how pretty much every new gen of corvette that comes out has owners of prior gens ‘insulted’ and upset that various so called ‘traditions’ have been broken.
can’t make a good omelette without breaking some eggs.
07-09-19, 07:37 PM
#48
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07-10-19, 06:57 AM
#49
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GM is really hyping up the new Blazer. I've seen it, and for several reasons, IMO, I think it is an insult to the name and legacy of true Blazers. The new Bronco, while lacking the two doors of classic Broncos, at least has a true BOF truck frame and RWD/4WD, and is more respectful of the Bronco history. We'll see (and I've been wrong before), but my present opinion is that it will handily outsell the new Blazer.
07-10-19, 07:56 AM
#50
Rumor has it there will be two Broncos. A rugged Bronco off the Ranger chassis to tango with 4Runner and Wrangler, and then this 'baby Bronco' which is likely softer despite gruff looks, I'd say some lower rung Jeep competitor.
Now if Chevy wants to have this 'soft' suburbia Blazer, and then some rugged 'TRAILBLAZER' I'm all for that
Now if Chevy wants to have this 'soft' suburbia Blazer, and then some rugged 'TRAILBLAZER' I'm all for that
07-10-19, 08:46 AM
#51
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It will probably sell around 125 to 150 units a year at the very most.
The Blazer much like the Highlander will appeal to a broader audience and sell in much higher numbers.
07-10-19, 08:48 AM
#52
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Anyhow, back on topic, has anyone on CL bought or leased a new Palisade or Explorer? In my area, they are just starting to reach dealerships now, so there are not likely to be many owners/leasees yet.
07-10-19, 09:37 AM
#53
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a (unibody) grand cherokee v8 can tow 7200lbs. plenty for most needs.
07-10-19, 09:53 AM
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That's just my point, though. Look at how well 4Runners and off-road-capable Jeeps sell. Now they will have some more competition.
Disagree. I think you are way off. They will probably sell that many in a week....more, perhaps, if they can win over some 4Runner and Jeep customers.
I just don't (at least as of now) see it that way. Too many cooks spoil the broth. The market, right now, does not need any more crossover SUVs....it is pretty much saturated with them. It does need more traditional off-road capable SUVs that can also tow heavier loads than a typical crossover.
Disagree. I think you are way off. They will probably sell that many in a week....more, perhaps, if they can win over some 4Runner and Jeep customers.
I just don't (at least as of now) see it that way. Too many cooks spoil the broth. The market, right now, does not need any more crossover SUVs....it is pretty much saturated with them. It does need more traditional off-road capable SUVs that can also tow heavier loads than a typical crossover.
07-10-19, 10:00 AM
#55
The Explorer with 3.0 can tow 5,600lbs
The Aviator hybrid can tow 5,600lbs
The Aviator with 3.0 can tow 6,700lbs
The Jeep GC with V8 can tow 7,200lbs (thanks bit)
The LR Range Rover Sport can tow 7,716lbs
The LR Discovery diesel V6 can tow 7,716lbs
The LR Discovery gas V6 can tow 8,201lbs!!!!!!
UNIBODY is more than capable with the right powertrain, tow class / package
The Aviator hybrid can tow 5,600lbs
The Aviator with 3.0 can tow 6,700lbs
The Jeep GC with V8 can tow 7,200lbs (thanks bit)
The LR Range Rover Sport can tow 7,716lbs
The LR Discovery diesel V6 can tow 7,716lbs
The LR Discovery gas V6 can tow 8,201lbs!!!!!!
UNIBODY is more than capable with the right powertrain, tow class / package
07-10-19, 10:05 AM
#56
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Well, (1) by definition, omelettes are not "scrambled" eggs--they are omelettes; and (2) while it is true that not everyone likes omelettes, or scrambled eggs, which types of eggs do you think that people do like that do not require the shells to be broken? 
07-10-19, 10:08 AM
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'traditional' (body on frame) vehicles were the only option for decades and it's taken a long time for unibody vehicles to get strong enough for serious towing but they're certainly strong enough now, unless you're towing something really gigantic (a giant boat, a house, a very large horse trailer). unibody also offers MANY other benefits in terms of packaging efficiency, step in height, lighter weight, etc.
body on frame is dead except for major hauling.
body on frame is dead except for major hauling.
07-10-19, 10:08 AM
#58
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I'd actually say the same thing about Jeep Wranglers. Sure--a much higher % of those go off-road, but I see way too many of them for that many people to be using them for rugged activities, rather than just driving something "cool".
The bulk of Broncos will be purchased because they are "cool".
07-10-19, 02:53 PM
#59
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'traditional' (body on frame) vehicles were the only option for decades and it's taken a long time for unibody vehicles to get strong enough for serious towing but they're certainly strong enough now, unless you're towing something really gigantic (a giant boat, a house, a very large horse trailer). unibody also offers MANY other benefits in terms of packaging efficiency, step in height, lighter weight, etc.
body on frame is dead except for major hauling.
body on frame is dead except for major hauling.
I think there's a healthy demand out there for a BOF SUV. They're certainly not overrepresented in product lineups. Every manufacture has plenty of CUV's available. Time to finally throw off-roaders a bone.
There are a lot of 4Runners in my area. I rarely, if ever, see them very dirty; I doubt all those 4Runner Limiteds in my neighborhood were purchased for off-road capability.
I'd actually say the same thing about Jeep Wranglers. Sure--a much higher % of those go off-road, but I see way too many of them for that many people to be using them for rugged activities, rather than just driving something "cool".
The bulk of Broncos will be purchased because they are "cool".
I'd actually say the same thing about Jeep Wranglers. Sure--a much higher % of those go off-road, but I see way too many of them for that many people to be using them for rugged activities, rather than just driving something "cool".
The bulk of Broncos will be purchased because they are "cool".
07-10-19, 05:52 PM
#60
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Off-road enthusiasts hands down prefer BOF. Better ground clearance, easier to modify and lift and reinforce, etc. It's one reason why a Wrangler easily outclasses a Grand Cherokee for off-roading. the old XJ Cherokees were unibody and were prone to all kinds of flexing and cracking when you'd try to off-road them.
I think there's a healthy demand out there for a BOF SUV. They're certainly not overrepresented in product lineups. Every manufacture has plenty of CUV's available. Time to finally throw off-roaders a bone.
I think there's a healthy demand out there for a BOF SUV. They're certainly not overrepresented in product lineups. Every manufacture has plenty of CUV's available. Time to finally throw off-roaders a bone.