Your Hyundai reference actually uses the term "leather seating surfaces" which leads me to believe the sides and back of the seats are not real leather.

 

An interesting point....yes, some vehicles do that. I tried out the seat, but didn't examine the back of the seat that closely (this was not a full-review).

 

Look at the post I responded to; not just my post. Leatherette on NON SEATING SURFACES. Like virtually every other car on the market with leather. There's absolutely no way Hyundai is offering a full leather interior. This is an option on Porsche and BMW that costs many $1000s extra.

 

Does it really matter if it is a full-leather interior or not? As I see it, you are either sitting on leather or you are not. You can disagree, of course, but I don't think it's that big of a deal whether the full-surfaces are leather or not. What matters is what you sit on.

 

Again, I was responding to a specific comment that certain portions of the "leather" feel grainy and different than the seating surfaces. Because those portions of the seats are leatherette. I never stated it as a criticism.

 

Goes to show you. larger series tires will not always save the day. I have been reading and watching videos on these new vehicles, the drawback for these models is that they are somewhat more upright than the rest of the segment and add in the larger series tires for some models and will not drive as sharp as other. There is nothing with that, it is the direction that Hyundai took.

It should not be too plush. Otherwise handling for a tall vehicle will suffer.

 

I think you get to a point too where the suspension is designed for a tire with a lower profile, the model he drove also didnt have the self-leveling suspension or the advanced lane centering which is said to be best in the industry.

 

Yes. I do agree on suspension design. Tires still . The self levelling suspension only works with weight from what I have read. So, it needs to have weight in the rear and the suspension is hydraulic. At least that is what Alex says. It also takes a little bit of driving to self level itself. So it looks like it needs to drive a mile or so and then it levels. This is just what I watched or heard.

 

My daughter and her husband are going to buy one. Most likely the Telluride because of the shifter. They like a shifter to grasp and use manually in the mountains, they ski weekly. The Palisade has button shifting and paddles. They first went to CarMax and drove many like or bigger size suv’s. All were used (30 to 50k miles) gas hogs, minimal warranty left, $45k and up. I enlightened them about the better alternative and they went Korea shopping. These cars are a game changer for families needing the room and wanting the latest tech. My smaller 2019 Santa Fe destroys anything in its segment on features, price and warranty with no drivability downside.

 

I don’t think I would call these vehicles “game changers”....an alternative yes. These new models replace the Santa Fe XL IMO the segment is starting to turn to more sleek driving cross overs with much sharper handling and bolder styling. Just my opinion.

 

This segment I’m referring to really is Tahoe type cars, not the Highlander, Santa Fe XL the list goes on group. Lets call it a new in between segment for those that like this size and look.

 

no disrespect meant at all, but you were a teen a long time ago so comparing how today's cars are constructed to then is not meaningful at all. all cars today have to watch every bit of weight except ones sold in tiny quantities that don't affect overall manufacturer cafe like an LX570 or the manufacturer doesn't care (ferrari, bentley, etc.)

but i do get that some controls feel incredibly light and/or bend easily, but there's only so much that can be done with weight, cost, and economy in mind.

 

Some of that is nothing new....and not totally irrelevant, either. There was also a noticeable cheapening in vehicle hardware from the late 1960s to the early 1970s, (and, in some cases, from the mid to the late 1960s) as the worsening inflation of the period began to put a squeeze on automakers. Even worse inflation was to strike later in the 1970s, but its main effect had already been done). This was also a period of rapidly-increasing Federal requirements on new vehicles that diverted resources away from what manufacturers had spent them on before. I thought the most noticeable examples were the total redesign of the 1971 full-size GM sedans/wagons and the redesign of the full-size Chrysler sedans/wagons for 1969. The all-new AMC Hornet, for 1970, also showed remarkable cheapness in some parts of its design.

Some manufacturers, though, still do a relatively good job today. You, for example, drive a Genesis sedan.....they are, without question, among today's best when it comes to control/hardware solidness.

 

I would say the Genesis G90 is quite competitive. All of the cars in it class are very good. All of the cars at that point have good solidness. But back to the Pallisade, I have no issues with the built quality and it's completely fitting for the price point.

 

Good points. Personally, I'll take the safety and crash worthiness of modern vehicles over the real or perceived decline in the solidity of some past models.