EZZ

Price level, the IS350, G70 and Q50 RS are the same. Let's throw in the Tesla AWD at $45-50k. All of these are low 4 second cars (except the IS350) in the 0-60 and all of them handle pretty damn well. That's my beef with the IS350. It needs to give more on speed if it wants to be a sports sedan.

The M on the 340 is just like FSporr. It's a trim level. Wanna be M and way overpriced. The G70 is $15k cheaper and almost as fast.

sivikvtec

Make a GS500 with the LS engine, add apple carplay, give it a minor front/rear refresh, leave out the gaudy GSF interior/exterior bits, and price it at $70k

This isn’t rocket science.

Hoovey689

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Well sounds like you'll be disappointed regardless of what happens to the IS350 replacement, because the rumored A25A-FTS (2.4T I4) is supposed to replaced the workhorse GR series should fall in the 300-370hp range. Expect the IS F to debut with a version of the V35A-FTS

Hoovey689

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I disagree partly. Go full speed or not at all. Current GS platform is done. Utilize GA-L and stretch the wheelbase.

arentz07

The G70 3.3T and IS 350 are really close in price actually. But, the IS 350, performance-wise, is more like the new 330i. I for one am fine with that, since the 2GR is, old or not, a great engine. But, it makes it difficult to sell to those of us who shop based on the numbers.

Minor correction, the M on the M340i is required. That's the only way to get a 3 with a 40i at the end. You can't get a "luxury" 340i, like you can with the IS 350/GS 350.

The GS is really an outlier in the midsize segment right now. There's nothing it really competes with super-directly. I hope there's a next gen that packs more performance and more tech. Honestly, an LS in a GS-sized and GS-priced wrapper is kinda where I see this going. Probably with a lower-output engine as the base engine - perhaps the rumored 2.4-liter turbo?

UDel

Why would they price it at 70K? That is the problem with the GS F and RC F and somewhat the LC500, they priced them too high.

Kense

Why can't they make a Next Gen IS-F With the Current GSF/RCF Motor putting out 472 HP. They don't even need to go TT V6. Just put the tuned V8 in the smaller lighter car and you'll have something special.

sivikvtec

Its not 1998 anymore, this is the going rate for the 540i/E53 class. A regular GS350 is like 60k already.

sivikvtec

I’m just suggesting ways to breathe life into the current platform.

The can sell the bazillion dollar boy racer GSF alongside the GS500.

I envision the GS500 as a modern day 2GS400

UDel

The Germans have always been priced higher then Lexus vehicles, it would be dumb to price the poor selling GS along the lines of the newer Germans which have a more prestigious image. Why would someone spend the same amount on a older GS design? A regular GS350 is not 60K. A GS350 RWD/AWD starts around 50K, a F sport is around 52-54K and they aren't selling well at those prices, a GS450h which nobody buys is priced at 63K, GS450h F Sport is priced at 68K which again nobody buys and you are suggesting they price a GS with the tt V6 at 70K when people aren't buying them at 50-55K?

70K is closing in on the price of a GS-F especially what some of the deals/discounts they have been offering go for

Toys4RJill

I highly doubt a new GS will ever make its debut...next economic downturn, GS is killed off for sure.

situman

They should just combine the IS and GS line together. There's simply no room, but then Lexus models are odd in terms of sizes. The ES actually has more interior room than the LS. Go figure.

arentz07

The current GS, as I understand it, is one of the smallest midsize luxury sedans, and the IS is also on the small side for its class. Something right in the middle would be possibly even with the current 3-series and A4, and larger than the C-class.

I personally was hoping a new GS would be a little larger, and the IS as well, but I do like the compact dimensions of the IS and the right-sized GS... Cars are inevitably getting bigger it seems.

UDel

I was very surprised how little rear leg room there is in my GS350, seems less then my GS430. It is even more odd because I have a Luxury model with the rear seat controls so rear seat passengers have controls for climate, radio, sunshade, heated seats like a big flagship sedan yet they have so little room back there, almost none if you sit far back like I do. If they do another GS, the wheelbase should be extended to give rear passengers about the same or just a little less rear room as the LS460 had.

sivikvtec

F-sport AWD with common options is 58,825. I’m talking about MSRP and not average transaction price.

A loaded GS500 should cost the same as a base E53/540i

A GS500 buyer would be different from a 450h buyer, if you don’t realize that, you obviously don’t understand this market. Not a lot of people are willing to spend that kind of money on outdated hybrid tech, a CVT trans, and mediocre performance. Also the 450h was rwd only, which significantly limited its appeal in certain markets.