MattyG

My best assumption is that the LS being the flagship, signals the direction the company is going in and that's why I figure there won't be an electric 5GS. Toyota, we know, is a hybrid company and is behind on EVs.

But all that said, there aren't even any spy shots or rumors about a new GS for the 2020s. So the best guess is that Toyota is apparently dipping its toe into hydrogen fuel cell tech for its big luxury sedan and that might migrate to other vehicles in the lineup.

Lwerewolf

The GS hybrid came before the LS hybrid, and the RX (well, harrier back in the days) came before either. Don't be so sure

peteharvey

Apparently, the next gen CT or facelifted UX is going to be Lexus' very first full BEV.

nicedude

Comes to Lexus dealership for the GS, leaves with the ES. When Lexus adds AWD to the ES, it's a wrap for the GS. Hope it survives tho...

$70K for a GS 500? Midas whale buy a base LS 500 for $75K.

Hoovey689

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F-Sport ES signals the GS's days are numbered. The addition of AWD is seemingly the nail in the coffin. That said, if they re-purpose the GS there is plenty of room to play especially if they increase the wheelbase, apply more premium materials, possibly go the 4-door coupe route.

Base 540i is $59,450. I optioned one to $86,540 on their website
Base M550i xDrive is $76,650
Base GS350 is $50,915 / F-Sport $52,610 most GS F-Sports with options hit $58K

A loaded GS 500 at low $70K's is completely reasonable

JDR76

I agree. When I was looking to replace my 15 GS, I gave strong consideration to the 19 540i. Optioned well but not over the top put it at about $75k. They lease so well that the monthly lease payment on a $75k 540i was less than a $61k GS350. I ended up buying instead of leasing, so it made the GS cheaper, but if I had leased I think I would have went with the BMW.

Hoovey689

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5-Series is a great choice too, solid vehicle. Oh yes BMW's lease well because they want you to lease. Audi's not so much. But back to the GS, a '500' variant would seemingly have over 400hp and 450ft-lbs (assuming it's marginally detuned from the LS). That alone makes it worthy of $70-74K fully loaded (competition couldn't touch it). Most would fall in the mid to high $60K's which is a great deal too.

situman

Isn't that just the LS?

Hoovey689

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Fair point, but I envision a more dramatic 4-door coupe ala CLS

mikedozz

I would buy a GS500 with 400hp without a doubt...

UDel

So is a GS350 at $50K yet they aren't selling at that price. If people are not buying a 311hp 6 cylinder GS350 at 50K I don't see how they are going to pay 20K on top of that just for a turbo charged 6 cylinder with some more power in the same car.

You can't really compare a BMW or Mercedes to a Lexus, the 2 Germans sell(lease) on name/image along regardless of price.

Hoovey689

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The GS will never sell in droves, but if Lexus wants to keep that model line, then they will have to give it a dramatic change, a bit more curb/sex appeal etc.. If a consumer can't look past a badge then that is their loss. There are MANY good options to choose from these days. Btw from my earlier posts, we're not talking about the same car. We're talking about moving a 5GS to GA-L platform, stretch the wheelbase, change the silhouette etc.. not a 4GS with the V35A-FTS.

Sure European marques specifically German have stronger brand names/image, but that doesn't mean they can't be compared to anything not German. When it comes down to it, a car is a car. I could compare a 300C to a 7-Series simply because they are large RWD based sedans with optional V8's. Not that I would, but I could if I felt like it lol.

jwong77

Maybe I haven't looked closely enough at the interior of the new ES, but I don't see how an AWD ES signals the end of the GS line? There seems to be some differences in interior material quality, fit and finish, and also the RWD proportions of the GS. When I see a GS, it just looks more upscale to me than an ES. Plus, wasn't the GS selling pretty well back in 2012 or 13 when it first came out?

Hoovey689

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Carmaker1 told us awhile back that the 5GS (programme 300B) was canceled. I'll still hold my breath that perhaps something is still in the works. I wouldn't expect to hear or see anything for a least another year based on Lexus's recent timetable. The real tell sign IMO is what the 4IS turns out to be, which should give good insight on whether or not the GS will still be around. All speculation at this point.

UDel

GS normally has decent sales for the first 3 years or so then they tend to drop off drastically, I attribute the big drop off in 4th Gen GS sales with the 2016 "update" which added a bunch of ugly styling/cladding, price went up for 6 cylinder, 4 cylinder nobody was asking for was added to the lineup, they took away attractive incentives and lease deals, other updates not very significant, the performance was actually decreased as shown by 0-60 numbers and seat of the pants.

I am talking about a stop gap measure to try to get more interest/sales in the 4th Gen by dropping the LS500 6 cylinder turbo or a 420hp V8 into the current model and maybe bringing the styling back closer to the pre 2016 update, all of which should not cost too much for them and should not be a big premium for buyers. Who knows what is going to happen with a 5 GS if they do one, I hope they do though.