SW17LS

Because I'm looking at it objectively.

I never said the LS didn't need to be redesigned even though I bought one. The LS is a special car to me, I extensively drove everything in the segment, and the LS although old still rode as well as the newer entries and was as smooth and quiet, where it fell down was technology which didn't really matter to me. I also chose it because I felt that Lexus was going to drop the V8 and to to a firmer, sportier drive setup on the next gen car. I had a car in front of me that fit all my wants equipmentwise and color wise, no more were being built so inventory was drying up and I had an incredible deal on it so I took it. Had I had confidence that Lexus would have stayed with a comfort and ride biased car I would have waited for the new LS for sure. Turns out, I was right and the LS500 was everything I felt it would be and I'm happy with the choice I made. Buying today when a new LS460L isnt a possibility, I would not buy a Lexus.

The LX does not hold up to modern unibody large SUVs the way the LS460 does/did with modern full size luxury sedans. I've driven them all...the LX is bloated, ponderous, rides choppily and feels very heavy, slow and unweildy compared to modern vehicles that really are a dream to drive.

And again, sales tell the story. Nobody is buying the LX. Whether or not YOU like it or I like it, we're having a objective discussion about the vehicle as a sold commodity here.

AJT123

I've not driven an LX before, believe me I'm very eager. I've sat in a few and the door thunk shamed anything I've ever experienced, ever. I thought my LS was the best, uh no.

I don't care for unibody SUVs (crossovers), it's just a personal preference. Even if they are "a dream to drive." I get it, people like them. I'm not a fan.

I like real trucks. My LS is currently uninsured/unregistered temporarily so I don't drive it much out of the neighborhood. Spouse went out of town for work last week so I had the IS350 at my disposal. That car is plenty dreamy to drive, a rocket, but I chose to drive my old, out of alignment truck the majority of the time.

Also I don't think Lexus expects to sell 12k LX570s a year. In that article I posted way back from 2015 Lexus basically said that, and that it's such a low volume vehicle they're "practically handbuilt." And in any case it's rumored that there won't be a North American replacement, which sucks.

As soon as I can get a test drive in I can't wait to report. If it drives like a truck that's fine with me, can you honestly tell me it's not a comfortable vehicle? If you don't like the driving dynamics of a BOF SUV, fine, but that's just your preference.

My other vehicle is an LS so it will be interesting to see how they compare, overall comfort-wise. I know it's not going to track at 95MPH down the freeway like my LS does, believe me. But there could be other things that make up for it?

And FWIW I do see a good amount of LXs around here, but this is a very SUV heavy area. GXs are what I see the most of though.

coolsaber

Sit in a new Navigator, G wagon and then in a LX. Report back what you felt. Experience is everything with a vehicle dynamically speaking.

SW17LS

then what are we even talking about? You need to go drive one and drive the competition too.

All of that is great, but it doesn't mean anything if you aren't the target consumer for the vehicle we're talking about. Sales figures show the vast majority of buyers what a modern, unibody less trucklike experience.

The point is they are leaving thousands of sales on the table by not being competitive in this segment. And what would you expect Lexus to say? Its not handbuilt, its built in a plant like every other car.

There will be a large luxury SUV Lexus, it may just not be the LX. It will be something more modern they will sell a ton more of.

Its not that its uncomfortable, its just tiring to drive. If you're driving down a flat straight highway its great, but anywhere its its tiring to drive. There are just many way better vehicles for the money, which is the point Doug made in his review. As much as I love Lexus, the LX would be literally the last vehicle in the segment I would choose.

And if you like BOF SUVs, the new Navigator is BOF and blows the LX away. Even the Escalade does. The QX80 is way behind in tech (even behind Lexus) but at least its much cheaper.

G Star

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There will be a re-designed LX.

That segment is what the LF-1 is for. We all know Lexus tends to enter a new segment in a later stage than competitors. The NX and UX came very late and still did well. Apple also wasn't the first to a lot of tech features that Samsung beat them to. Being first to segment isn't for everybody.

Lexus will have both brand new BOF LX and unibody LF-1.

bitkahuna

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AJT123, this isn’t about whether the LX is good or bad here, it’s about the fact that car makers cater to who is buying or leasing NEW vehicles. The used car business has become very important to dealers, and car makers have their CPO programs to provide some consistency and warranty for used cars that also helps dealers, but car makers are primarily about new car sales and leases, so they ONLY care about what drives (ha) people who buy/lease new to pick one vehicle over another. Since you do not buy new, you do not factor into their calculations even if you think the LX is the greatest vehicle ever made. It doesn’t matter.

Stroock639

are we talking about a 2018 or 2019 G wagen? i haven't driven the 2019, but the 2018 G550 feels about 30 years older to use than the 2018 land cruiser, and is noticeably less comfortable and more cramped inside

n134sky

I’m amazed at the blind loyalty some on here will maintain to Lexus or any other brand. It is absolutely asinine. What Doug said was spot on!!!! IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED and that’s the bottom line. I would have gone further and complained about the absolutely HORRIBLE second row seat comfort: toe space is non existent. Thigh support is TERRIBLE. Lexus needs to take a page out of the Lincoln navigator’s book for interior ambiance and mood lighting. Criticism is the only way to demand better. Perhaps more blind followers could appreciate that in the interim.

coolsaber

You might be overthinking this. I`m referring to the MY19 G and LX, since the My18 is no longer available new.

Stroock639

i saw that you said new but i'm sure there's people out there who'd consider something a year old to still be 'new' even if not brand new

SW17LS

Exactly spot on

AJT123

Here is my OP. I don't care if it drives like a truck etc etc-- it will last for 20 years. These don't sell very much as we've been over, but there are new car buyers who would buy this Lexus LX just for the reliability and build quality.

I'm not an idiot.....I'm aware that car companies make cars for new car buyers.

I wasn't aware I'm not allowed to voice an opinion on here.

SW17LS

You certainly are, its just the discussions in here tend to be more objectively focused. The discussion is about Doug's review in which he compared the vehicle to its competitors...and didnt feel it competed favorably in the areas where target buyers make their decisions. ..which is supported by comparing sales figures. Your opinion is well and fine, but you aren't the target buyer, and what you want isn't necessarily the right direction for Lexus to take objectively.

Dave600hL

I did and I still found the new G-wagon to be a bit cramped COMPARED to the LX. Seat comfort wise, Lexus seats have always beaten Benz seats even with the new G-Wagon getting the S-Class seats. I like the two displays side by side in the Benz, but that is not a deal breaker as I am watching the road 99% of the time. Ride quality is pretty much the same. And the main issue that I have with the Lexus is that it has no *****. The acceleration of the G-Wagon in a car like that is amazing. That's about it, I ended up choosing the LX over the G-Wagon as I like the comfort and roomy interior.

Toys4RJill

Both LX and G wagon are cool. I like the older G wagon with the solid axles better. No doubt the new G is outstanding inside. Same with Navigator. But there is just so something awesome about Lexus LX and and LC vehicles along with their other body on frame models. They are not for everyone