Sept 2019 Sales Thread
10-04-19, 03:18 PM
#32
Dodge Challenger outsold Mustang, Camaro in third quarter of 2019
The Dodge Challenger is nearly old enough to start driver's ed in some states, and it doesn't have a firm grasp on the increasingly crucial concept of downsizing, yet it beat the odds to become the most popular American two-door model during the third quarter of 2019. Its ballooning sales figures suggest buyers don't always want the latest, most advanced car they can get their hands on.
Dodge sold 18,031 examples of the Challenger during the third quarter of 2019, a shocking 21% increase over the same period in 2018. It's a true muscle car, normally sardined in the same can as the Chevrolet Camaro and the Ford Mustang, a pair of smaller, nimbler two-doors that are much closer to the historic definition of a pony car. Semantics aside, the Mustang finished on the second spot of the sales podium with 16,823 sales, a 12.3% drop compared to the third quarter of 2018, and the Camaro took third with 12,275 sales, a 15% dip that alarmingly comes in the wake of two redesigns.
More specific sales figures aren't available. We don't know what percentage of the sales mix V8s represent, or whether buyers prefer manual or automatic transmissions.
The scoreboard looks different when we examine 2019's year-to-date figures. The Mustang takes first place with 55,365 sales, followed by the Challenger at 46,699, and the Camaro at 36,791. While the Challenger's recent ascent is encouraging, it can't mask the fact that two-door models no longer enjoy a favorable tailwind, and the entire segment — not just the American entries — is declining. The aforementioned year-to-date figures are down by 10.1, 11, and 7.6 percent, respectively.
The third-quarter statistics revealed a handful of other surprises unrelated to the world of performance. Dodge notably sold three examples of the Dart, a sedan it hasn't built since 2016. That's a 93% drop compared to the 45 units that found a home during the third quarter of 2018.
Dodge sold 18,031 examples of the Challenger during the third quarter of 2019, a shocking 21% increase over the same period in 2018. It's a true muscle car, normally sardined in the same can as the Chevrolet Camaro and the Ford Mustang, a pair of smaller, nimbler two-doors that are much closer to the historic definition of a pony car. Semantics aside, the Mustang finished on the second spot of the sales podium with 16,823 sales, a 12.3% drop compared to the third quarter of 2018, and the Camaro took third with 12,275 sales, a 15% dip that alarmingly comes in the wake of two redesigns.
More specific sales figures aren't available. We don't know what percentage of the sales mix V8s represent, or whether buyers prefer manual or automatic transmissions.
The scoreboard looks different when we examine 2019's year-to-date figures. The Mustang takes first place with 55,365 sales, followed by the Challenger at 46,699, and the Camaro at 36,791. While the Challenger's recent ascent is encouraging, it can't mask the fact that two-door models no longer enjoy a favorable tailwind, and the entire segment — not just the American entries — is declining. The aforementioned year-to-date figures are down by 10.1, 11, and 7.6 percent, respectively.
The third-quarter statistics revealed a handful of other surprises unrelated to the world of performance. Dodge notably sold three examples of the Dart, a sedan it hasn't built since 2016. That's a 93% drop compared to the 45 units that found a home during the third quarter of 2018.
10-05-19, 05:20 AM
#33
The pursuit of F
The issue is that Lexus doesn't have many enticing products, RX mid-cycle refresh is a year too late and thus they lost some customers there. There were people who wanted Car-play for example for MY 2019 RX and jump ship when the refresh didn't happen last year. I was disappointed last year since i waited for the 2019 refresh only to realized there wouldn't be one. Luckily, the wife is not fussy so in the end i got her a new 2018 since there was no reason to get the 2019 and pay more for the same car. Consumers want what they want now.
They're not going to sit and wait because a Toyota supposedly will last 100 years. If it weren't for Toyota reliability reputation they'd sell even less cars. The 3IS got left behind, buyers in that market want all the new tech the competition offers so why would they buy a 3IS when even the Hyundai have Car-play for example. I know fanboys will say, car-play sucks, but that's besides the point, Toyota and Lexus has fallen behind and is taking too long to catch up and most of us don't see the point in waiting when something else that meets our needs is readily available. And besides since we don't plan to keep said car 100 years then Toyota suddenly loses its appeal.
3IS is ancient and lackluster in 2019 compared to its competition. RX mid cycle refresh is great but also a year late. LS, well, that's just a colossal failure based on the take rate. LC, now that's a fine car, the best they make. Maybe their clientele find it hard paying 6 figures for a Lexus, still that's a fine car, wish it was selling in bigger numbers. NX is ancient, GS, good car but old now. You get the gist......in my accounting voice" the numbers tell the story".
They're not going to sit and wait because a Toyota supposedly will last 100 years. If it weren't for Toyota reliability reputation they'd sell even less cars. The 3IS got left behind, buyers in that market want all the new tech the competition offers so why would they buy a 3IS when even the Hyundai have Car-play for example. I know fanboys will say, car-play sucks, but that's besides the point, Toyota and Lexus has fallen behind and is taking too long to catch up and most of us don't see the point in waiting when something else that meets our needs is readily available. And besides since we don't plan to keep said car 100 years then Toyota suddenly loses its appeal.
3IS is ancient and lackluster in 2019 compared to its competition. RX mid cycle refresh is great but also a year late. LS, well, that's just a colossal failure based on the take rate. LC, now that's a fine car, the best they make. Maybe their clientele find it hard paying 6 figures for a Lexus, still that's a fine car, wish it was selling in bigger numbers. NX is ancient, GS, good car but old now. You get the gist......in my accounting voice" the numbers tell the story".
10-05-19, 10:58 AM
#34
Lexus Champion
The company’s [Tesla] stock tumbled by more than 3%
10-05-19, 12:23 PM
#35
Lexus Fanatic
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10-05-19, 02:37 PM
#36
Lexus Champion
10-06-19, 08:17 AM
#37
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by Lexus2000
FYI EZZ didn't write that the quote is from an article.
10-12-19, 12:32 AM
#38
Moderator
UX sales so far in U.S.:
2018 - 453
2019 - 11,991 YTD - January thru September, my projection 15,000 (I believe Lexus projected sales of UX is 17,000)
Total = 12,444
X1 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X1
2012 - 8,947
2013 - 26,512
2014 - 22,808
2015 - 14,420
2X1
2016 - 27,812
2017 - 30,826
2018 - 29,060
2019 - 12,673 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 173,058
X2 sales since inception in U.S.:
2018 - 16,154
2019 - 8,335 YTD- Jan thru September
Total = 24,489
GLA sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 6,884
2015 - 25,593
2016 - 24,545
2017 - 24,104
2018 - 24,136
2019 - 15,131 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 120,393
Q3 sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 3,654
2015 - 13,229
2016 - 20,048
2017 - 20,633
2018 - 16,828
2019 - 6,087 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 80,479
QX30 sales since inception in U.S.:
2016 - 2,259
2017 - 14,093
2018 - 8,101
2019 - 3,025 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 27,478
2018 - 453
2019 - 11,991 YTD - January thru September, my projection 15,000 (I believe Lexus projected sales of UX is 17,000)
Total = 12,444
X1 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X1
2012 - 8,947
2013 - 26,512
2014 - 22,808
2015 - 14,420
2X1
2016 - 27,812
2017 - 30,826
2018 - 29,060
2019 - 12,673 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 173,058
X2 sales since inception in U.S.:
2018 - 16,154
2019 - 8,335 YTD- Jan thru September
Total = 24,489
GLA sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 6,884
2015 - 25,593
2016 - 24,545
2017 - 24,104
2018 - 24,136
2019 - 15,131 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 120,393
Q3 sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 3,654
2015 - 13,229
2016 - 20,048
2017 - 20,633
2018 - 16,828
2019 - 6,087 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 80,479
QX30 sales since inception in U.S.:
2016 - 2,259
2017 - 14,093
2018 - 8,101
2019 - 3,025 YTD - Jan thru September
Total = 27,478
Last edited by Trexus; 10-12-19 at 12:37 AM.
10-15-19, 11:56 PM
#39
Moderator
NX sales so far in U.S.:
2014 - 2,927
2015 - 43,764
2016 - 54,884
2017 - 59,341
2018 - 62,079
2019 - 40,074 YTD - January thru September, my projection 60,000
Total = 263,069
X4 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X4
2014 - 2,653
2015 - 6,429
2016 - 4,989
2017 - 5,198
2018 - 4,323
2X4
2019 - 5,834 YTD - January thru September
Total = 29,426
GLC sales since inception in U.S.:
1GLC (fka GLK)
2009 - 21,944
2010 - 20,946
2011 - 24,310
2012 - 29,364
2013 - 32,553
2014 - 35,000
2015 - 27,902
2GLC
2016 - 47,872
2017 - 48,643
2018 - 69,727
2019 - 52,621 YTD - January thru September
Total = 410,882
2014 - 2,927
2015 - 43,764
2016 - 54,884
2017 - 59,341
2018 - 62,079
2019 - 40,074 YTD - January thru September, my projection 60,000
Total = 263,069
X4 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X4
2014 - 2,653
2015 - 6,429
2016 - 4,989
2017 - 5,198
2018 - 4,323
2X4
2019 - 5,834 YTD - January thru September
Total = 29,426
GLC sales since inception in U.S.:
1GLC (fka GLK)
2009 - 21,944
2010 - 20,946
2011 - 24,310
2012 - 29,364
2013 - 32,553
2014 - 35,000
2015 - 27,902
2GLC
2016 - 47,872
2017 - 48,643
2018 - 69,727
2019 - 52,621 YTD - January thru September
Total = 410,882
10-19-19, 12:51 AM
#40
Moderator
Update of RX sales:
1RX
2001 - 77,426
2002 - 72,963
2003 - 92,366
2RX
2004 - 106,531
2005 - 108,775
2006 - 108,348
2007 - 103,340
2008 - 84,181
2009 - 93,379
3RX
2010 - 95,790
2011 - 82,595
2012 - 95,381
2013 - 103,920
2014 - 107,490
2015 - 100,610
4RX
2016 - 109,435
2017 - 108,307
2018 - 111,641
2019 - 76,170 YTD - January thru September, my projection 109,000 - 112,000
Total = 1,838,648
The RX line (big dog) is very successful and can't think of anything to improve it. There are already a 2 row and 3 row RX and F Sport versions. Lexus could expand the operation of the navigation/infotainment along with the touch screen to also include the mouse controller, controls on the steering wheel and voice command, similar to the 2020 Mercedes GLE. Maybe introduce an electric version of the RX such as the RX 400e...but how many people will actually purchase an electric RX because of the range? I think the hybrid RX could use solid state batteries for quick charging and longer battery life as well as savings in weight. Other than that the RX line is just fine the way it is.
1RX
2001 - 77,426
2002 - 72,963
2003 - 92,366
2RX
2004 - 106,531
2005 - 108,775
2006 - 108,348
2007 - 103,340
2008 - 84,181
2009 - 93,379
3RX
2010 - 95,790
2011 - 82,595
2012 - 95,381
2013 - 103,920
2014 - 107,490
2015 - 100,610
4RX
2016 - 109,435
2017 - 108,307
2018 - 111,641
2019 - 76,170 YTD - January thru September, my projection 109,000 - 112,000
Total = 1,838,648
The RX line (big dog) is very successful and can't think of anything to improve it. There are already a 2 row and 3 row RX and F Sport versions. Lexus could expand the operation of the navigation/infotainment along with the touch screen to also include the mouse controller, controls on the steering wheel and voice command, similar to the 2020 Mercedes GLE. Maybe introduce an electric version of the RX such as the RX 400e...but how many people will actually purchase an electric RX because of the range? I think the hybrid RX could use solid state batteries for quick charging and longer battery life as well as savings in weight. Other than that the RX line is just fine the way it is.
10-19-19, 06:54 AM
#41
Lexus Fanatic
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Lexus did a good job with the ‘20 refresh of the RX to keep it (very) competitive and to ensure continued great sales.
10-19-19, 11:28 PM
#42
Moderator
Update of GX sales:
1GX
2002 - 2,190
2003 - 31,376
2004 - 35,420
2005 - 34,339
2006 - 25,454
2007 - 23,035
2008 - 15,759
2009 - 6,235
2GX
2010 - 16,450
2011 - 11,609
2012 - 11,039
2013 - 12,136
2014 - 22,685
2015 - 25,212
2016 - 25,148
2017 - 27,190
2018 - 26,724
2019 - 17,376 YTD - January thru September, my projection 26,100
2020 - My projection 27,000
2021 - My projection 25,000
2022 - My projection 22,500
3GX
2023 - My projection 26,000
Total 369,377 + 109,224 = 478,601
Lexus should also bring in a 2 row GX as well which would be at a lower price point and have more cargo room than the 3 row GX. This would also increase sales as well. F Sport the GX as well...and bring in Android Auto and more USB's
1GX
2002 - 2,190
2003 - 31,376
2004 - 35,420
2005 - 34,339
2006 - 25,454
2007 - 23,035
2008 - 15,759
2009 - 6,235
2GX
2010 - 16,450
2011 - 11,609
2012 - 11,039
2013 - 12,136
2014 - 22,685
2015 - 25,212
2016 - 25,148
2017 - 27,190
2018 - 26,724
2019 - 17,376 YTD - January thru September, my projection 26,100
2020 - My projection 27,000
2021 - My projection 25,000
2022 - My projection 22,500
3GX
2023 - My projection 26,000
Total 369,377 + 109,224 = 478,601
Lexus should also bring in a 2 row GX as well which would be at a lower price point and have more cargo room than the 3 row GX. This would also increase sales as well. F Sport the GX as well...and bring in Android Auto and more USB's
10-23-19, 01:26 AM
#43
Moderator
Update of LX sales:
1LX
1996 - 5,398
1997 - 9,186
2LX
1998 - 6,465
1999 - 14,723
2000 - 14,732
2001 - 9,320
2002 - 9,231
2003 - 9,193
2004 - 9,846
2005 - 8,555
2006 - 5,595
2007 - 2,468
3LX
2008 - 7,915
2009 - 3,616
2010 - 3,983
2011 - 3,167
2012 - 5,005
2013 - 4,625
2014 - 4,052
2015 - 3,884
2016 - 5,707
2017 - 6,004
2018 - 4,753
2019 - 3,333 YTD - January thru September, my projection 5,000
Total = 160,756
X7 sales since inception in U.S.:
2019 - 13,754
Total = 13,754 - Jan thru September
1LX
1996 - 5,398
1997 - 9,186
2LX
1998 - 6,465
1999 - 14,723
2000 - 14,732
2001 - 9,320
2002 - 9,231
2003 - 9,193
2004 - 9,846
2005 - 8,555
2006 - 5,595
2007 - 2,468
3LX
2008 - 7,915
2009 - 3,616
2010 - 3,983
2011 - 3,167
2012 - 5,005
2013 - 4,625
2014 - 4,052
2015 - 3,884
2016 - 5,707
2017 - 6,004
2018 - 4,753
2019 - 3,333 YTD - January thru September, my projection 5,000
Total = 160,756
X7 sales since inception in U.S.:
2019 - 13,754
Total = 13,754 - Jan thru September
10-24-19, 03:41 PM
#44
Lexus Fanatic
Update of LX sales:
1LX
1996 - 5,398
1997 - 9,186
2LX
1998 - 6,465
1999 - 14,723
2000 - 14,732
2001 - 9,320
2002 - 9,231
2003 - 9,193
2004 - 9,846
2005 - 8,555
2006 - 5,595
2007 - 2,468
3LX
2008 - 7,915
2009 - 3,616
2010 - 3,983
2011 - 3,167
2012 - 5,005
2013 - 4,625
2014 - 4,052
2015 - 3,884
2016 - 5,707
2017 - 6,004
2018 - 4,753
2019 - 3,333 YTD - January thru September, my projection 5,000
Total = 160,756
X7 sales since inception in U.S.:
2019 - 13,754
Total = 13,754 - Jan thru September
1LX
1996 - 5,398
1997 - 9,186
2LX
1998 - 6,465
1999 - 14,723
2000 - 14,732
2001 - 9,320
2002 - 9,231
2003 - 9,193
2004 - 9,846
2005 - 8,555
2006 - 5,595
2007 - 2,468
3LX
2008 - 7,915
2009 - 3,616
2010 - 3,983
2011 - 3,167
2012 - 5,005
2013 - 4,625
2014 - 4,052
2015 - 3,884
2016 - 5,707
2017 - 6,004
2018 - 4,753
2019 - 3,333 YTD - January thru September, my projection 5,000
Total = 160,756
X7 sales since inception in U.S.:
2019 - 13,754
Total = 13,754 - Jan thru September
The X7 is not really the vehicle to compare to against and LX. Navigator. Escalade yes.
10-24-19, 03:42 PM
#45
Lexus Fanatic
I agree that they should have a 2 row version. They do it with 4Runner, so why not with the GX