once there are enough EVs on the road, missing revenue from fuel taxes will need to be captured. Someone will have to pay for battery disposals. I think the cost and taxes of a EV will be higher than what we all currently pay for gas after enough adoption taxes place.

 

EVs will always be cheaper than petrol cars. They simply are far less complex. I haven't seen any experts out there claim what you believe.

 

On a technical level explain why aluminum, cobalt, lithium etc. are more difficult to process than cast iron, magnesium, plastic intakes, catalytic converters and pretty much everything else in a petrol car. What about fuel cells are those super easy to recycle?

 

You are mistaken if you think there will be no future taxes on EV cars in various forms to make up for lost gas taxes. The are already examples of higherEV registration fees over the same gas registration fees. It is cheap now for early adopters, this will not be the case in the future.

 

My maintenance for the EV is at least a grand cheaper per year than my last car. I highly doubt the registration will be a thousand dollars more expensive than the cost to own EV. Again, EVs will be cheaper to own overall than any ICE car.

 

I was not really talking about maintenance costs. Just charging or fees that can be applied.

It is my understanding that some areas can be quite costly to register an EV.

https://www.consumerreports.org/hybr...ith-high-fees/
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...ion-fee-to-248

In Quebec, if someone has an electric vehicle or fuel cell model priced at $75K, there are additional fees that are not waved.

If you truly think that there will be no extra fees (coming in the future) to make up for the missing gas taxes, you are very wrong.

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...ration-fees-ca

^^^ in San Diego, there is a $605 fee to register a Tesla 3. $630 in Orange County.

 

$605 is only $200 more than what I paid for my IS350 in So-cal. I save $2.5k annually in fuel cost. The registration fee is a pittance compared to the savings in fuel. Nowhere near parity in costs. Registration would have to increase by 5x to get to parity. Not happening.

 

Well, we are not going to agree. Let us move on....

 

One thing to note for everyone. I live in so-cal and pay $200 more per year on registration as a form of tax. I travel 15000 miles per year. The average gas tax is about 19 cents per gallon. To travel 15k miles, I need about 790 gallons of gas. At 19 cents per gallon, I would pay $150 of gas tax per year. This means I already pay more tax than an ICE. I still save $2500 on fuel so my net savings after the additional tax I pay is $2,300. An EV is FAAAAAAR cheaper to fuel even after paying equivalent tax. Just FYI

 

It can also go higher in the future.

 

I've proven I already pay more. No need for it to go higher if they've already got my money

 

it’s great how enthusiastic you are about your tesla. and i get how much OPERATING costs you save with it over an ICE car.

but your cost arguments overlook one big factor... the tesla 3 is NOT cheap. I just read a good article comparing the tesla 3 and the latest corolla! Crazy you say? Well not when you consider they’re almost the exact same size and both likely to be extremely reliable. The gas fuel economy on the corolla is also very good (for gas). But more importantly the corolla costs HALF what the tesla 3 model he tests. You can buy a lot of gas with $25K. At your 790 gallons a year, even at $4/gallon that’s 8 years worth of gas. And a corolla is hardly likely to cost you $1000 a year in maintenance! 2 oil changes, tire rotations, an air filter now and then... peanuts.

Anyway, here’s the article.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...-well-then--24

 

You would kneed a Corolla EV to make the comparison worth it. There is a new CHR coming that will be EV, we should have a good understanding then.

 

I really only get defensive when I hear stuff that just ain't true about EVs. I've always said that the EV wasn't for everyone. If I didn't have a garage, I frankly wouldn't recommend a Tesla now. Wait for more infrastructure before you get one.

The Tesla isn't a Corolla competitor but yes, buying a Corolla or any other car that cost half the price of the Tesla will save you money over getting a Tesla. But then you'd be driving a Corolla

 

It appears You do not come across this way in almost all of your posts regarding EVs. Almost to the point where it looks like you do not see someone else's POV in the discussion.

It is really quite strange to compare the Telsa 3 to a Corolla.