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Old 10-15-19 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
I think the fact that Venza only survived one generation is your answer right there.

I don't entirely agree with that viewpoint. The Subaru Outback simply had (and, to an extent, still has), that type of vehicle-market cornered (raised-suspension wagon with AWD). Not only the Venza, but the Honda Crosstour couldn't really compete either. Neither can the Buick Tour-X. Neither could the AWD Ford Freestyle/Taurus wagon. Nether could the Volvo XC70, though it has been replaced by the newer V60 Cross-country. Neither could the Audi All-Road, though it, like the Tour-X, remains in production.
Old 10-15-19 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I don't entirely agree with that viewpoint. The Subaru Outback simply had (and, to an extent, still has), that type of vehicle-market cornered (raised-suspension wagon with AWD). Not only the Venza, but the Honda Crosstour couldn't really compete either. Neither can the Buick Tour-X. Neither could the AWD Ford Freestyle/Taurus wagon. Nether could the Volvo XC70, though it has been replaced by the newer V60 Cross-country. Neither could the Audi All-Road, though it, like the Tour-X, remains in production.
I know you don't agree. But clearly not enough people had the same viewpoint as you, since the Venza was axed so soon.

As you like to say, the Audi All-Road is "apples and oranges"--a totally different class; and remember, the original All-Road was based on the A6; but changed to the A4 to try and keep it going.
Old 10-15-19 | 09:28 AM
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The venza just wasn’t impressive. It was toyota trying to rely on their image to sell a poorly designed and cheaply made car. Gee, sounds familiar. I’ve said this before, but Toyota is the modern GM only with better build quality.
Old 10-15-19 | 09:37 AM
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Yes the interior to me seemed VERY CHEAP. I remember I drove a Prius-V one time. I thought the idea of a very efficient wagon was a possibility. I could not believe how cheap the interior was and how noisy the car drove on the highway. I know it’s all relative though, but once you’ve had luxury cars it’s very hard to step down. I did find the CR-V (2015 at the time) to be REALLY nicely designed/materials for its price point and almost bought one.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
The venza just wasn’t impressive. It was toyota trying to rely on their image to sell a poorly designed and cheaply made car. Gee, sounds familiar. I’ve said this before, but Toyota is the modern GM only with better build quality.
The Venza was born out of the recession. Modern Toyota’s are better for this who like them.
Old 10-15-19 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
I know you don't agree. But clearly not enough people had the same viewpoint as you, since the Venza was axed so soon.
I'm not sure I follow you. If Toyota themselves yanked the Venza from the American market, that's on them, not me or the public. Personally, I thought it a nice product, though they clearly made a mistake with the standard 19" wheels and low-profile tires (and optional 20s), which impacted the ride. Worse, the 20" wheels were standard wth the V6...you couldn't get the 19s.

As you like to say, the Audi All-Road is "apples and oranges"--a totally different class; and remember, the original All-Road was based on the A6; but changed to the A4 to try and keep it going.
Mechanically, ithe All-Road is probably the perfect example of a European Outback, but, I agree, in a different price class. The former Volvo XC-70 was also close, but had a different kind of AWD system.

The thread-topic AWD Fusion wagon, though, may be an even better Euro competitor to the Outback, simply because, as a Ford instead of an Audi, it will likely be closer to the Outback in price.
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Aston Martin could use this for their new SUV-they're a little late to the suv craze
Old 10-17-19 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GS3Tek
Aston Martin could use this for their new SUV-they're a little late to the suv craze

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...l#post10601644
Old 10-17-19 | 10:57 AM
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Ooops, forgot about this thing.

Looks almost the same to me, ford looks a little better

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Old 01-26-20 | 10:57 AM
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Default Ford Fusion Returning As A (lifted)Wagon?

According to C&D the Fusion may be returning as a lifted Outback-type wagon. I hope it does well if they do it, but realistically it will be a tough sell in the U.S. Maybe as the CUV segment matures consumers will start looking for alternatives that still offer some utility.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ign=nl19222795
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Repost?

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...crossover.html
Old 01-26-20 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Never mind. Thanks.
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