October 2019 Sales Thread
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Kinda sad really... but the IS and GS just need to be replaced or let go. The current LS i’m sure hasn’t been the success lexus hoped in the u.s. not always good to have a radical styling change in what is basically a very conservative market. The LS has been ‘stately’, ‘subdued’, and VERY refined. Now it’s ‘look at curvy me!’, ‘anything but subdued’ and in some ways LESS refined than before. What could possibly go wrong?
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1.9 percent of buyers chose an EV, 1.1 percent chose to shift gears
Every OEM obligated to get in on the battery-electric game has publicly groused about how hard it will be to make money on EVs. The refrain is merely one line, that being there isn't nearly enough demand to justify the developmental expense. BMW's head of development, Klaus Frölich, was among the most recent to espouse the view when he told Australian site CarSales in June, "There is no customer requests for BEVs. There are regulator requests for BEVs."
Imagine, then, how dire the situation is for the manual transmission — Old Faithful to hardcore enthusiasts — now that J.D. Power data showed EVs outsold cars with clutch pedals in the U.S. in the third quarter. Driving.ca reports that once the final numbers were tallied, 1.9 percent of buyers went the electric route, while 1.1 percent of buyers chose one of the few vehicles left on the market that requires hands-on for cog-swapping.
J.D. Power executive Tyson Jominy told the outlet in an e-mail that "the discontinuation of many compact and subcompact sedans where manuals were purchased primarily as a lower cost of entry to a new vehicle" accounted for a portion of the downturn. Then he kicked the transmission while it was down, writing that after only a decade in the mainstream, "EVs were able to surpass last century’s dying technology."
With demand down to one percent, we should be impressed that there are any manual transmissions available on any car that isn't hand-built at some seven-figure cost. People who like to shift know how to make a lot of noise about shifting, it seems. Nevertheless, even with additions to the ranks like the Kia Forte GT and Aston Martin Vanquish, the manual transmission dead pool keeps shrinking thanks to wholesale losses like the BMW 3 Series, Chevrolet Corvette, and Mazda6, and reduced availability on models like the 2020 Porsche 911.
Imagine, then, how dire the situation is for the manual transmission — Old Faithful to hardcore enthusiasts — now that J.D. Power data showed EVs outsold cars with clutch pedals in the U.S. in the third quarter. Driving.ca reports that once the final numbers were tallied, 1.9 percent of buyers went the electric route, while 1.1 percent of buyers chose one of the few vehicles left on the market that requires hands-on for cog-swapping.
J.D. Power executive Tyson Jominy told the outlet in an e-mail that "the discontinuation of many compact and subcompact sedans where manuals were purchased primarily as a lower cost of entry to a new vehicle" accounted for a portion of the downturn. Then he kicked the transmission while it was down, writing that after only a decade in the mainstream, "EVs were able to surpass last century’s dying technology."
With demand down to one percent, we should be impressed that there are any manual transmissions available on any car that isn't hand-built at some seven-figure cost. People who like to shift know how to make a lot of noise about shifting, it seems. Nevertheless, even with additions to the ranks like the Kia Forte GT and Aston Martin Vanquish, the manual transmission dead pool keeps shrinking thanks to wholesale losses like the BMW 3 Series, Chevrolet Corvette, and Mazda6, and reduced availability on models like the 2020 Porsche 911.
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UX sales so far in U.S.:
2018 - 453
2019 - 13,200 YTD - January thru October, my projection 15,000 (I believe Lexus projected sales of UX is 17,000)
Total = 13,653
X1 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X1
2012 - 8,947
2013 - 26,512
2014 - 22,808
2015 - 14,420
2X1
2016 - 27,812
2017 - 30,826
2018 - 29,060
2019 - 14,316 YTD - January thru October
Total = 174,701
X2 sales since inception in U.S.:
2018 - 16,154
2019 - 9,164 YTD - January thru October
Total = 26,147
GLA sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 6,884
2015 - 25,593
2016 - 24,545
2017 - 24,104
2018 - 24,136
2019 - 17,580 YTD - January thru October
Total = 122,841
Q3 sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 3,654
2015 - 13,229
2016 - 20,048
2017 - 20,633
2018 - 16,828
2019 - 8,030 YTD - January thru October
Total = 82,422
QX30 sales since inception in U.S.:
2016 - 2,259
2017 - 14,093
2018 - 8,101
2019 - 3,127 YTD - January thru October
Total = 27,580
2018 - 453
2019 - 13,200 YTD - January thru October, my projection 15,000 (I believe Lexus projected sales of UX is 17,000)
Total = 13,653
X1 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X1
2012 - 8,947
2013 - 26,512
2014 - 22,808
2015 - 14,420
2X1
2016 - 27,812
2017 - 30,826
2018 - 29,060
2019 - 14,316 YTD - January thru October
Total = 174,701
X2 sales since inception in U.S.:
2018 - 16,154
2019 - 9,164 YTD - January thru October
Total = 26,147
GLA sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 6,884
2015 - 25,593
2016 - 24,545
2017 - 24,104
2018 - 24,136
2019 - 17,580 YTD - January thru October
Total = 122,841
Q3 sales since inception in U.S.:
2014 - 3,654
2015 - 13,229
2016 - 20,048
2017 - 20,633
2018 - 16,828
2019 - 8,030 YTD - January thru October
Total = 82,422
QX30 sales since inception in U.S.:
2016 - 2,259
2017 - 14,093
2018 - 8,101
2019 - 3,127 YTD - January thru October
Total = 27,580
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Hoovey, that’s an interesting article, and combined with the honda exec who basically said there’s almost no demand for EVs it looks like the EV fanboys will be waiting a long time for the ‘surge’ of EVs that will supposedly wipe out dinosaur juice vehicles.
As for stick shift cars, i’m not sure if it was referring to global sales or north america, etc., but in europe, most cars sold and rented are still stick shift.
As for stick shift cars, i’m not sure if it was referring to global sales or north america, etc., but in europe, most cars sold and rented are still stick shift.
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Hoovey, that’s an interesting article, and combined with the honda exec who basically said there’s almost no demand for EVs it looks like the EV fanboys will be waiting a long time for the ‘surge’ of EVs that will supposedly wipe out dinosaur juice vehicles.
As for stick shift cars, i’m not sure if it was referring to global sales or north america, etc., but in europe, most cars sold and rented are still stick shift.
As for stick shift cars, i’m not sure if it was referring to global sales or north america, etc., but in europe, most cars sold and rented are still stick shift.
Power data showed EVs outsold cars with clutch pedals in the U.S. in the third quarter.
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NX sales so far in U.S.:
2014 - 2,927
2015 - 43,764
2016 - 54,884
2017 - 59,341
2018 - 62,079
2019 - 44,340 YTD - January thru October, my projection 60,000
Total = 267,335
X4 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X4
2014 - 2,653
2015 - 6,429
2016 - 4,989
2017 - 5,198
2018 - 4,323
2X4
2019 - 6,529 YTD - January thru October
Total = 30,121
GLC sales since inception in U.S.:
1GLC (fka GLK)
2009 - 21,944
2010 - 20,946
2011 - 24,310
2012 - 29,364
2013 - 32,553
2014 - 35,000
2015 - 27,902
2GLC
2016 - 47,872
2017 - 48,643
2018 - 69,727
2019 - 59,699 YTD - January thru October
Total = 417,965
Q5 sales since inception in U.S.:
1Q5
2009 - 13,790
2010 - 23,518
2011 - 24,908
2012 - 28,671
2013 - 40,355
2014 - 42,420
2015 - 52,006
2016 - 49,550
2017 - 57,640
2Q5
2018 - 69,978
2019 - 55,096 YTD - January thru October
Total = 457,932
2014 - 2,927
2015 - 43,764
2016 - 54,884
2017 - 59,341
2018 - 62,079
2019 - 44,340 YTD - January thru October, my projection 60,000
Total = 267,335
X4 sales since inception in U.S.:
1X4
2014 - 2,653
2015 - 6,429
2016 - 4,989
2017 - 5,198
2018 - 4,323
2X4
2019 - 6,529 YTD - January thru October
Total = 30,121
GLC sales since inception in U.S.:
1GLC (fka GLK)
2009 - 21,944
2010 - 20,946
2011 - 24,310
2012 - 29,364
2013 - 32,553
2014 - 35,000
2015 - 27,902
2GLC
2016 - 47,872
2017 - 48,643
2018 - 69,727
2019 - 59,699 YTD - January thru October
Total = 417,965
Q5 sales since inception in U.S.:
1Q5
2009 - 13,790
2010 - 23,518
2011 - 24,908
2012 - 28,671
2013 - 40,355
2014 - 42,420
2015 - 52,006
2016 - 49,550
2017 - 57,640
2Q5
2018 - 69,978
2019 - 55,096 YTD - January thru October
Total = 457,932
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I would think the NX would be comparable to X2, X3, and X4
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Update of RX sales:
1RX
2000 - 89,864
2001 - 77,426
2002 - 72,963
2003 - 92,366
2RX
2004 - 106,531
2005 - 108,775
2006 - 108,348
2007 - 103,340
2008 - 84,181
2009 - 93,379
3RX
2010 - 95,790
2011 - 82,595
2012 - 95,381
2013 - 103,920
2014 - 107,490
2015 - 100,610
4RX
2016 - 109,435
2017 - 108,307
2018 - 111,641
2019 - 85,441 YTD - January thru October, my projection 109,000 - 112,000
Total = 1,937,783
The RX line (big dog) is very successful and can't think of anything to improve it. There are already a 2 row and 3 row RX and F Sport versions. Lexus could expand the operation of the navigation/infotainment along with the touch screen to also include the mouse controller, controls on the steering wheel and voice command, similar to the 2020 Mercedes GLE. Maybe introduce an electric version and a plug in hybrid of the RX such as the RX 400e/RX 450ph...but how many people will actually purchase an electric RX because of the range? Other than that the RX line is just fine the way it is.
I think the hybrid RX could use solid state batteries for quick charging and longer battery life as well as savings in weight. Also use weight saving materials such as carbon fiber hood, front fenders and trunk and a carbon fiber roof as well. Use titanium exhaust and underpinnings, titanium lug nuts and bolts. With the weight savings the hybrid RX would be a lot peppier and save gas.
1RX
2000 - 89,864
2001 - 77,426
2002 - 72,963
2003 - 92,366
2RX
2004 - 106,531
2005 - 108,775
2006 - 108,348
2007 - 103,340
2008 - 84,181
2009 - 93,379
3RX
2010 - 95,790
2011 - 82,595
2012 - 95,381
2013 - 103,920
2014 - 107,490
2015 - 100,610
4RX
2016 - 109,435
2017 - 108,307
2018 - 111,641
2019 - 85,441 YTD - January thru October, my projection 109,000 - 112,000
Total = 1,937,783
The RX line (big dog) is very successful and can't think of anything to improve it. There are already a 2 row and 3 row RX and F Sport versions. Lexus could expand the operation of the navigation/infotainment along with the touch screen to also include the mouse controller, controls on the steering wheel and voice command, similar to the 2020 Mercedes GLE. Maybe introduce an electric version and a plug in hybrid of the RX such as the RX 400e/RX 450ph...but how many people will actually purchase an electric RX because of the range? Other than that the RX line is just fine the way it is.
I think the hybrid RX could use solid state batteries for quick charging and longer battery life as well as savings in weight. Also use weight saving materials such as carbon fiber hood, front fenders and trunk and a carbon fiber roof as well. Use titanium exhaust and underpinnings, titanium lug nuts and bolts. With the weight savings the hybrid RX would be a lot peppier and save gas.
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The RX line (big dog) is very successful and can't think of anything to improve it. There are already a 2 row and 3 row RX and F Sport versions. Lexus could expand the operation of the navigation/infotainment along with the touch screen to also include the mouse controller, controls on the steering wheel and voice command, similar to the 2020 Mercedes GLE. Maybe introduce an electric version and a plug in hybrid of the RX such as the RX 400e/RX 450ph...but how many people will actually purchase an electric RX because of the range? Other than that the RX line is just fine the way it is.
I think the hybrid RX could use solid state batteries for quick charging and longer battery life as well as savings in weight.
Also use weight saving materials such as carbon fiber hood, front fenders and trunk and a carbon fiber roof as well. Use titanium exhaust and underpinnings, titanium lug nuts and bolts. With the weight savings the hybrid RX would be a lot peppier and save gas.
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Update of GX sales:
1GX
2002 - 2,190
2003 - 31,376
2004 - 35,420
2005 - 34,339
2006 - 25,454
2007 - 23,035
2008 - 15,759
2009 - 6,235
2GX
2010 - 16,450
2011 - 11,609
2012 - 11,039
2013 - 12,136
2014 - 22,685
2015 - 25,212
2016 - 25,148
2017 - 27,190
2018 - 26,724
2019 - 19,537 YTD - January thru October, my projection 26,100
2020 - 27,000 My projection
2021 - 25,000 My projection
2022 - 22,500 My projection
3GX
2023 - 26,000 My projection
Total 371,538 + 107,063 = 478,601
Lexus should also bring in a 2 row GX as well which would be at a lower price point and have more cargo room than the 3 row GX. Bring in a diesel variant as well. This would also increase sales as well. F Sport the GX as well...and bring in Android Auto and more USB's
1GX
2002 - 2,190
2003 - 31,376
2004 - 35,420
2005 - 34,339
2006 - 25,454
2007 - 23,035
2008 - 15,759
2009 - 6,235
2GX
2010 - 16,450
2011 - 11,609
2012 - 11,039
2013 - 12,136
2014 - 22,685
2015 - 25,212
2016 - 25,148
2017 - 27,190
2018 - 26,724
2019 - 19,537 YTD - January thru October, my projection 26,100
2020 - 27,000 My projection
2021 - 25,000 My projection
2022 - 22,500 My projection
3GX
2023 - 26,000 My projection
Total 371,538 + 107,063 = 478,601
Lexus should also bring in a 2 row GX as well which would be at a lower price point and have more cargo room than the 3 row GX. Bring in a diesel variant as well. This would also increase sales as well. F Sport the GX as well...and bring in Android Auto and more USB's
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I’d love to see Toyota use more carbon fiber! In sufficient volume i would think they can bring the costs down and have a HUGE advantage over competitors, just like Ford did with the aluminum F-150.
even if they started with the LS and did a load of it in CF the car would be a lot faster for one thing.
even if they started with the LS and did a load of it in CF the car would be a lot faster for one thing.
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I’d love to see Toyota use more carbon fiber! In sufficient volume i would think they can bring the costs down and have a HUGE advantage over competitors, just like Ford did with the aluminum F-150.
even if they started with the LS and did a load of it in CF the car would be a lot faster for one thing.
even if they started with the LS and did a load of it in CF the car would be a lot faster for one thing.
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Update of LX sales:
1LX
1996 - 5,398
1997 - 9,186
2LX
1998 - 6,465
1999 - 14,723
2000 - 14,732
2001 - 9,320
2002 - 9,231
2003 - 9,193
2004 - 9,846
2005 - 8,555
2006 - 5,595
2007 - 2,468
3LX
2008 - 7,915
2009 - 3,616
2010 - 3,983
2011 - 3,167
2012 - 5,005
2013 - 4,625
2014 - 4,052
2015 - 3,884
2016 - 5,707
2017 - 6,004
2018 - 4,753
2019 - 3,724 YTD - January thru October, my projection 5,000
Total = 161,147
X7 sales since inception in U.S.:
2019 - 15,801 YTD - January thru October
Total = 15,801
GLS sales since inception in U.S.:
1GLS (fka GL)
2006 - 18,776
2007 - 26,396
2008 - 23,328
2009 - 15,012
2010 - 19,943
2011 - 25,139
2012 - 26,042
2GLS
2013 - 29,912
2014 - 26,597
2015 - 27,707
2016 - 30,442
2017 - 32,248
2018 - 21,973
2019 - 16,430 YTD - January thru October
3GLS
2020 - 28,000 My projection
Total = 339,945 + 28,000 = 367,945
1LX
1996 - 5,398
1997 - 9,186
2LX
1998 - 6,465
1999 - 14,723
2000 - 14,732
2001 - 9,320
2002 - 9,231
2003 - 9,193
2004 - 9,846
2005 - 8,555
2006 - 5,595
2007 - 2,468
3LX
2008 - 7,915
2009 - 3,616
2010 - 3,983
2011 - 3,167
2012 - 5,005
2013 - 4,625
2014 - 4,052
2015 - 3,884
2016 - 5,707
2017 - 6,004
2018 - 4,753
2019 - 3,724 YTD - January thru October, my projection 5,000
Total = 161,147
X7 sales since inception in U.S.:
2019 - 15,801 YTD - January thru October
Total = 15,801
GLS sales since inception in U.S.:
1GLS (fka GL)
2006 - 18,776
2007 - 26,396
2008 - 23,328
2009 - 15,012
2010 - 19,943
2011 - 25,139
2012 - 26,042
2GLS
2013 - 29,912
2014 - 26,597
2015 - 27,707
2016 - 30,442
2017 - 32,248
2018 - 21,973
2019 - 16,430 YTD - January thru October
3GLS
2020 - 28,000 My projection
Total = 339,945 + 28,000 = 367,945
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Wow, had no idea the X7 and GLS sell in those kind of numbers.
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