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Old 09-21-20, 09:13 AM
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On the Beltway? LOL. What traffic-flow?

Whew, reminds me of my LA days. Spouse had a 17 mile commute that took at least an hour and a half.
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Default Diesel-powered 2021 Chevrolet Tahoe gets crossover-like EPA figures

It's more efficient than a 2021 Blazer






Chevrolet made a turbodiesel engine available on the Tahoe and on the Suburban after a long hiatus, and its bet is paying off. These heavy, body-on-frame behemoths offer crossover-like fuel economy, according to the EPA.

When ordered with rear-wheel drive, the diesel-powered 2021 Tahoe returns 21 mpg in the city, 28 mpg on the highway, and 24 mpg in a combined cycle. Stepping up to the bigger, heavier Suburban lowers the last two numbers to 27 and 23, respectively. Diesel tends to be more expensive than gasoline in the United States, but the EPA estimates the 3.0-liter is nonetheless $250 cheaper to run annually than the 5.3-liter V8, and nearly $1,000 cheaper than the 6.2-liter eight. Although neither SUV will qualify for a green award, they're surprisingly efficient.
For context, the 5.3-liter V8-powered two-wheel drive Tahoe posts 16, 18 and 20, respectively, while buyers who order the 6.2-liter and rear-wheel drive will see 15, 20, and 17. Lincoln's Navigator, which downsized to a twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V6, offers drivers 16, 22, and 19. Figures for the four-wheel drive models haven't been published yet, but we expect expect they'll be slightly less efficient due to the extra weight they lug around.The 21, 28 and 24 mileage figures put the Tahoe in crossover territory. Chevrolet's Blazer, a unibody model that's about 20 inches shorter and at least 1,700 pounds lighter, returns 21, 27, and 23 with front-wheel drive and the entry-level 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine. Mid-range models with a 2.0-liter turbo four and all-wheel drive post 22, 27, and 24.

Also offered on the Silverado and the Cadillac Escalade, the diesel engine in question is a 3.0-liter straight-six that makes 277 horsepower and 460 pound-feet of torque. It's bolted to a 10-speed automatic transmission.

Like electrified powertrains, diesel engines come with a price premium. Chevrolet hasn't published pricing information yet because the 3.0-liter six is a few months away from reaching showrooms, but adding it to a 2021 Silverado requires moving up to the LT trim and piling about $4,000 onto the cost of a V8-powered model.
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^^^^ See that complete set of analog engine-gauges between the speedo and tach? I don't know why some manufacturers (GM among them) restrict them to mostly trucks and high-performance vehicles.......although my Lacrosse admittedly has analog-style voltmeter and oil-temperature gauges, in addition to engine-coolant-temperature. Nevertheless, I'd like to see a set of engine gauges like that standard in each new ICE vehicle.
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My 2004 Mustang had that voltmeter and oil-temp gauges. While most makes omit them save for some trucks and SUVs now, a few automakers will have this information in the multi-interface display between the speedo and tach
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
My 2004 Mustang had that voltmeter and oil-temp gauges. While most makes omit them save for some trucks and SUVs now, a few automakers will have this information in the multi-interface display between the speedo and tach
Yup, the OEMs that really leverage those displays for the information center can have tons of menus and readouts available. FCA does a particularly good job at this as well. Don't need the dials front and center on most cars all the time.

Wonder how long GM will wait to move to a full digital cluster on these full sizers. The upcoming Expedition facelift looks like it will get it since the updated F-150 has it. Explorer already has a full digital cluster available.

GM just seems a half step behind on some of the tech. But huge improvements overall.
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Yup, the OEMs that really leverage those displays for the information center can have tons of menus and readouts available. FCA does a particularly good job at this as well. Don't need the dials front and center on most cars all the time.
My experience is that it is quicker and easier to simply glance at a needle/gauge than to scroll through sometimes-unfamiliar menus.
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Something else significant on the dash......I noticed that they copied the previous-generation Lincolns by having a row of vertical PRNDL transmission buttons just to the right of the steering wheel, next to the video-screen.
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My experience is that it is quicker and easier to simply glance at a needle/gauge than to scroll through sometimes-unfamiliar menus.
Obviously it's quicker/easier if it's right there. But probably 99% of driving use cases and drivers don't need that information front and center 100% of the time. As long as the information is available, that's generally good enough.

Large majority of people have shown that they want things like navigation directions/maps, driver assist alerts, infotainment and music information in the displays more than they want oil pressure or transmission temp readings. Of course internal combustion trucks that might possibly be used for towing etc would want that available. So it's nice to have screens that have choices on what to prioritize and have available when wanted.
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Something else significant on the dash......I noticed that they copied the previous-generation Lincolns by having a row of vertical PRNDL transmission buttons just to the right of the steering wheel, next to the video-screen.
It's not a direct copy, some of these are pull operated (like Reverse). So they're not all smooth and flat that could be hard to distinguish without looking at it each time.
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It's not a direct copy, some of these are pull operated (like Reverse). So they're not all smooth and flat that could be hard to distinguish without looking at it each time.

OK...Thanks for the heads up. Given what we saw in the new GMC Acadias (push/pull combo), I suspected that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. And they seem to have also adopted the Acadia's tiny, minsicule + / - buttons for upshifts/downshifts.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
OK...Thanks for the heads up. Given what we saw in the new GMC Acadias (push/pull combo), I suspected that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. And they seem to have also adopted the Acadia's tiny, minsicule + / - buttons for upshifts/downshifts.
Buttons may be a little small, but at least they're within easy reach of the driver here, vs all the way on the other side of the center stack and down low on the Acadia. I don't think people will have issues with using them.
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Glowing Car and Driver review about the diesel version.

Here we are in 2020, when a 3 ton Tahoe gets 27 HWY MPG which I guarantee owners will be able to peg to close to 30 as these roll out. 0-60 in 7.8 seconds which is perfectly adequate—good, even, for the hp/lb ratio.


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...giAh8mUl7ek8Zw
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I’d still only go for 6.2 though, lol.

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Nice truck.
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The diesel is getting the best reviews. With only a $995 upcharge, it's a bargain. But what no one has mentioned is diesel fuel costs about 25% more than regular at the pump. I have't done the math, but that could be a big offset.
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