Lexus Confronts Midlife Crisis With Aging SUVs Losing to Rivals
01-08-20, 11:25 AM
#181
I don't disagree since it is your opinion. My opinion is different so that is why I don't own one. It's similar to when we talk about the BOF SUVs vs. unibody. Some people like the BOF vehicles even though they don't plan to tow or go offroading, they just like the ability to do it if they ever need to. For the most part these people would be fine with a unibody but that is not what they want or like because it doesn't appeal to them. Different strokes for different folks.
Back the topic at hand, I have been a long time Lexus SUV owner and got tired of the same thing with a different body and mediocre technology so I switched brands. I loved the abilities and reliability of my previous GX's but because the GX stayed the same for so long except for a facelift, I got bored and went elsewhere. If and when they come out with something all new, I could come back but they would have to come back with something strong since the competition, besides reliability, has caught up or surpassed them in my opinion.
Back the topic at hand, I have been a long time Lexus SUV owner and got tired of the same thing with a different body and mediocre technology so I switched brands. I loved the abilities and reliability of my previous GX's but because the GX stayed the same for so long except for a facelift, I got bored and went elsewhere. If and when they come out with something all new, I could come back but they would have to come back with something strong since the competition, besides reliability, has caught up or surpassed them in my opinion.
01-08-20, 11:28 AM
#182
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So what did you buy then?
GX and LX have never had better than 15 mpg. There is too much crying about the GX and LX on here, most would never buy one as it is (or have never had prior experience). We have the first gen LX, and owner the second gen 470, the new one feels right at home coming from those experiences. I do like the Land Cruiser styling inside and out, I think it’s better than the LX.
GX and LX have never had better than 15 mpg. There is too much crying about the GX and LX on here, most would never buy one as it is (or have never had prior experience). We have the first gen LX, and owner the second gen 470, the new one feels right at home coming from those experiences. I do like the Land Cruiser styling inside and out, I think it’s better than the LX.
As for the GX, my old GX470 got better gas mileage than my GX460 and even in my GX460 I would average about 16mpg. Besides the technology in the 460, I liked my 470 better and I felt it was built better.
01-08-20, 11:35 AM
#185
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01-08-20, 11:39 AM
#186
Look at sales figures, they tell the story. Lexus reputation for reliability is not overcoming the gap in the performance and technology in their vehicles at this level compared to german rivals that dont have the same reputation for reliability.
I'd buy the LC in that segment because I love how it looks, and I don't care all that much about performance and I'm used to Lexus tech. However, most buyers don't make the same choice clearly.
I'd buy the LC in that segment because I love how it looks, and I don't care all that much about performance and I'm used to Lexus tech. However, most buyers don't make the same choice clearly.
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01-08-20, 11:43 AM
#187
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The LC is something you just must drive to appreciate. The stats don't tell the whole story. It's sooo comfortable compared to the other cars I tried. I would have no issue daily driving it. And I agree with you about the tech. It's hard to get used to something different. Lexus just feels like home after trying other things. Do they need some new vehicles with more up to date tech? Sure! I did test drive a 2020 ES 350 F Sport this week and came away impressed! Huge improvement from my 14' ES. Dare I say it was fun to drive. I'm considering swapping my RX for one eventually...if I can figure out if I can live with the F Sport seats. It seems like it would make a great daily car. I'm kinda liking how it drove compared to the RX.
01-08-20, 11:43 AM
#188
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I agree the LC is a different class of car but it is in the same price range and I could've been easily swayed if it performed better for my tastes. It looks a heck of a lot better than the GTR that's for sure.
01-08-20, 11:52 AM
#189
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But there are some of us that don't care if we drive old cars. My LS430 is ancient and wouldn't want to drive anything else. It's paid for, looks and drives great, and actually sort of a semi-classic. LS430 debatable easily as the best Lexus ever made. It's not debatable that an LS430 is a "special" Lexus and came from the days when Lexus was at its best. I like driving that around. I like that people who know cars recognize that, as I get thumbs up etc and waves from other owners. I don't care about technology I'm missing, I really don't. All I really wish I had were a backup cam and BSM.
LS430 is the equivalent of the W126 or W140 (except everything works) of the S-Class. An old LS430 doesn't have the status of a classic Mercedes but it definitely still carries some legit legacy and respect. And IMO it looks better every day with how crazy car designs are getting. It still drives beautifully, and everything works; I know you know what an LS430 drives like since you had one in your family.
Why would I ever get rid of it and start paying payments again on something newer while everything works fine? Newer doesn't equal better always.
If the car becomes a money pit I'd be singing a different tune, but the car is just stupid reliable.
If I were you I'd buy the 460 out after the lease and hold on to it for a very long time as it's the last example of the old Lexus ethos. They really look great, too, and have aged very well. I wasn't crazy about the '13 refresh at first but it looks great to me now.
But I know you won't do that, and that's cool. Different strokes.
01-08-20, 11:56 AM
#190
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You need to look at it from others' perspective. I totally get that you like new cars and would never drive an old one, I get that. You'll never drive a car more than 3ish years old. That's cool.
But there are some of us that don't care if we drive old cars. My LS430 is ancient and wouldn't want to drive anything else. It's paid for, looks and drives great, and actually sort of a semi-classic. LS430 debatable easily as the best Lexus ever made. It's not debatable that an LS430 is a "special" Lexus and came from the days when Lexus was at its best. I like driving that around. I like that people who know cars recognize that, as I get thumbs up etc and waves from other owners. I don't care about technology I'm missing, I really don't. All I really wish I had were a backup cam and BSM.
LS430 is the equivalent of the W126 or W140 (except everything works) of the S-Class. An old LS430 doesn't have the status of a classic Mercedes but it definitely still carries some legit legacy and respect. And IMO it looks better every day with how crazy car designs are getting. It still drives beautifully, and everything works; I know you know what an LS430 drives like since you had one in your family.
Why would I ever get rid of it and start paying payments again on something newer while everything works fine? Newer doesn't equal better always.
If the car becomes a money pit I'd be singing a different tune, but the car is just stupid reliable.
If I were you I'd buy the 460 out after the lease and hold on to it for a very long time as it's the last example of the old Lexus ethos. They really look great, too, and have aged very well. I wasn't crazy about the '13 refresh at first but it looks great to me now.
But I know you won't do that, and that's cool. Different strokes.
But there are some of us that don't care if we drive old cars. My LS430 is ancient and wouldn't want to drive anything else. It's paid for, looks and drives great, and actually sort of a semi-classic. LS430 debatable easily as the best Lexus ever made. It's not debatable that an LS430 is a "special" Lexus and came from the days when Lexus was at its best. I like driving that around. I like that people who know cars recognize that, as I get thumbs up etc and waves from other owners. I don't care about technology I'm missing, I really don't. All I really wish I had were a backup cam and BSM.
LS430 is the equivalent of the W126 or W140 (except everything works) of the S-Class. An old LS430 doesn't have the status of a classic Mercedes but it definitely still carries some legit legacy and respect. And IMO it looks better every day with how crazy car designs are getting. It still drives beautifully, and everything works; I know you know what an LS430 drives like since you had one in your family.
Why would I ever get rid of it and start paying payments again on something newer while everything works fine? Newer doesn't equal better always.
If the car becomes a money pit I'd be singing a different tune, but the car is just stupid reliable.
If I were you I'd buy the 460 out after the lease and hold on to it for a very long time as it's the last example of the old Lexus ethos. They really look great, too, and have aged very well. I wasn't crazy about the '13 refresh at first but it looks great to me now.
But I know you won't do that, and that's cool. Different strokes.
I will add, some have made it crystal clear that a crossover is what they want. I am ok with that. But look at things from a different persons perspective. We just love the feel of an body on frame suv.
01-08-20, 12:04 PM
#191
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To whom tho? You who have never owned one of the LX models in any generation? There is a select few that want it. What is so wrong with that? It’s nice that Toyota offers it, the Lexus LX demographic is at $350K, very different clientele than the others car segments Lexus exists in. The LX is a very unique segment for Toyota.
As for income, you don't think Mercedes GLS or Range Rover buyers make $350k? They do.
The LC is something you just must drive to appreciate. The stats don't tell the whole story. It's sooo comfortable compared to the other cars I tried. I would have no issue daily driving it. And I agree with you about the tech. It's hard to get used to something different. Lexus just feels like home after trying other things. Do they need some new vehicles with more up to date tech? Sure! I did test drive a 2020 ES 350 F Sport this week and came away impressed! Huge improvement from my 14' ES. Dare I say it was fun to drive. I'm considering swapping my RX for one eventually...if I can figure out if I can live with the F Sport seats. I also haven't owned a Made in America Lexus...so that is a question mark for me on initial quality...if it would be the same. It seems like it would make a great daily car. I'm kinda liking how it drove compared to the RX.
As for it being a two seater? Why?
You need to look at it from others' perspective. I totally get that you like new cars and would never drive an old one, I get that. You'll never drive a car more than 3ish years old. That's cool.
But there are some of us that don't care if we drive old cars. My LS430 is ancient and wouldn't want to drive anything else. It's paid for, looks and drives great, and actually sort of a semi-classic. LS430 debatable easily as the best Lexus ever made. It's not debatable that an LS430 is a "special" Lexus and came from the days when Lexus was at its best. I like driving that around. I like that people who know cars recognize that, as I get thumbs up etc and waves from other owners. I don't care about technology I'm missing, I really don't. All I really wish I had were a backup cam and BSM.
But there are some of us that don't care if we drive old cars. My LS430 is ancient and wouldn't want to drive anything else. It's paid for, looks and drives great, and actually sort of a semi-classic. LS430 debatable easily as the best Lexus ever made. It's not debatable that an LS430 is a "special" Lexus and came from the days when Lexus was at its best. I like driving that around. I like that people who know cars recognize that, as I get thumbs up etc and waves from other owners. I don't care about technology I'm missing, I really don't. All I really wish I had were a backup cam and BSM.
Most buyers don't want to go out and spend $95,000 for a new vehicle that feels like a vehicle that was designed 20 years ago. They just don't. Again, sales figures show that.
Why would I ever get rid of it and start paying payments again on something newer while everything works fine? Newer doesn't equal better always.
01-08-20, 12:11 PM
#192
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The issue is the LX is a new car. Your argument doesn't make sense because we're talking about a new vehicle Lexus is asking $95,000 for.
Most buyers don't want to go out and spend $95,000 for a new vehicle that feels like a vehicle that was designed 20 years ago. They just don't. Again, sales figures show that.
Again not what we're talking about. We're talking about a new on the lot 2020 LX570.
The issue is the LX is a new car. Your argument doesn't make sense because we're talking about a new vehicle Lexus is asking $95,000 for.
Most buyers don't want to go out and spend $95,000 for a new vehicle that feels like a vehicle that was designed 20 years ago. They just don't. Again, sales figures show that.
Again not what we're talking about. We're talking about a new on the lot 2020 LX570.
I see so many "old" new GXs on the road it is insane. Plenty of LXs too.
01-08-20, 12:18 PM
#194
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I'm not talking about this and not arguing about anything, though I agree with you that the LX and GX are old. You have made it well, well known over the years that you don't like to drive old vehicles. All I'm saying is some of us don't have to have a new car every 3 years and are fine driving an old car into the ground.
I see so many "old" new GXs on the road it is insane. Plenty of LXs too.
I see so many "old" new GXs on the road it is insane. Plenty of LXs too.
Its one thing to say "some of us dont have to drive a new car", but that doesnt mean people who are buying a new car are fine buying one thats as old and outdated as the LX and GX.
Lexus needs new modern vehicles in these segments because they are losing a ton of buyers to their competitors.
01-08-20, 12:23 PM
#195
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We see a lot too. I don’t think I see any of the first gen crossover Mercedes or BMW for their first gen models. I do see lots of older G wagons from time to time. I think they did mess up the new one a little bit.