Lexus Confronts Midlife Crisis With Aging SUVs Losing to Rivals
#301
Lexus Fanatic
I would never buy a car for cash, and I would never keep a car longer than 5 years maybe even if I owned it, so it’s hard to say what I would do.
#303
Lexus Champion
This was almost 20 years ago (good lord) but just FWIW.
#304
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
When I was over there in '02 there were TONS of Mercedes taxis in Germany. LOTS of original E-classes (W124) but stripped down, stout AF cars but not luxurious like the ones they sent here. There were lots of C-classes as well, stripped.
This was almost 20 years ago (good lord) but just FWIW.
This was almost 20 years ago (good lord) but just FWIW.
#305
Lexus Champion
Was perusing Quora. Lots of discussion about Lexus vs Mercedes. Most if not all say, if they were using their own money (and responsible for the upkeep) and not financing or leasing, they would buy a Lexus over a German car. Would that be agreeable on here? Is there anyone on here who consistently buys German cars for cash? There are also some that claim that German cars outside of North America are not always such money pits.
#308
Lexus Fanatic
How does it not? German brands rank higher in dependability than people give them credit for.
2019 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study. As you can see, BMW, MB, Porsche Audi and VW all come in above the industry average. Many asian brands are below average.
If you go back 10 years to 2009 you see that german brands have certainly improved, but aside from VW you find they hover around average or above average. Hardly the bottom of the industry as people here would make them out to be.
2019 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study. As you can see, BMW, MB, Porsche Audi and VW all come in above the industry average. Many asian brands are below average.
If you go back 10 years to 2009 you see that german brands have certainly improved, but aside from VW you find they hover around average or above average. Hardly the bottom of the industry as people here would make them out to be.
#309
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
How does it not? German brands rank higher in dependability than people give them credit for.
2019 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study. As you can see, BMW, MB, Porsche Audi and VW all come in above the industry average. Many asian brands are below average.
If you go back 10 years to 2009 you see that german brands have certainly improved, but aside from VW you find they hover around average or above average. Hardly the bottom of the industry as people here would make them out to be.
2019 JD Power Vehicle Dependability Study. As you can see, BMW, MB, Porsche Audi and VW all come in above the industry average. Many asian brands are below average.
If you go back 10 years to 2009 you see that german brands have certainly improved, but aside from VW you find they hover around average or above average. Hardly the bottom of the industry as people here would make them out to be.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-11-20 at 09:54 AM.
#310
It's not just the reliability of German cars that scares me. It's more about the expense when something does go wrong. To me, they seem to be more expensive to fix, even though I believe Lexus is catching up quickly.
#312
Lexus Fanatic
Reputations have some basis in fact but are often overstated. The difference between say a BMW or Mercedes or Audi and a Lexus is the ease and cost of repair when repairs do need to be done. German cars aren’t as easy to work on as a Lexus, and not just anybody can work on them unlike a Lexus. If you have a good mechanic who specializes in German cars, I really think in this day and age you can own one long term.
Last edited by SW17LS; 01-11-20 at 10:09 AM.
#313
The J. D. Power dependability study is for how many problems occur in the third year of ownership. This last years study was the first time in the last 30 years the German brands were above the industry average. Can they keep it up? What happens after 5 years or more of ownership? Good questions.
Last edited by Frog98; 01-11-20 at 10:07 AM.
#314
Lexus Fanatic
The J. D. Power dependability study is for how many problems occur in the third year of ownership. This last years study was the first time in the last 30 years the German brands were above the industry average. Can they keep it up? What happens after 5 years or more of ownership? Good questions.