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Old 01-10-20 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Moisture
The ES350 with AWD option is for old asian people.
Excuse me (and to address your stereotype), it is for anyone, Asian or otherwise, who wants more winter traction than the FWD version.
Old 01-10-20 | 01:20 PM
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terrible news.for those who say lexus has lost their way with a third refresh... I dont think so. this is typical for the company. to drag out a platform as long as possible to milk residual profit. look at the Sequoia/Tundra/4Runny/LX/GX/Sienna. for the vehicles not primarily their bread and butter (Highlander/RX, Camry, Corolla, ES) they have always done this. But their lack of innovations from the engine standpoint is inexcusable, no matter how good their 2GR engine is.

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Old 01-10-20 | 01:27 PM
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I'm fine with them using the current platform/chassis, as it still handles well. So if they do that, with new engines, significantly updated styling, interior updates, and new tech, then I think it's fine. If it's limited to a new grill and the addition of AA/CP and such, then I view it as a signal that it will likely be the last IS and that they don't see the value in investing in it anymore, much like they've done with the GS.
Old 01-10-20 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Excuse me (and to address your stereotype), it is for anyone, Asian or otherwise, who wants more winter traction than the FWD version.
I'm sorry, i was just trying to be funny.

Awd is totally unneccessary with a good set of winter tires, and much less an alternative to a real RWD sedan.
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Originally Posted by JDR76
I'm fine with them using the current platform/chassis, as it still handles well. So if they do that, with new engines, significantly updated styling, interior updates, and new tech, then I think it's fine. If it's limited to a new grill and the addition of AA/CP and such, then I view it as a signal that it will likely be the last IS and that they don't see the value in investing in it anymore, much like they've done with the GS.
I dont really see how else they can refresh the styling.
Old 01-10-20 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
I have been saying this guy from Lexus Enthusiast figured a new 2.4L unit is coming







Good sleuth work..

Is this an actual official Toyota diagram?
Old 01-10-20 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by evident
terrible news.for those who say lexus has lost their way with a third refresh... I dont think so. this is typical for the company. to drag out a platform as long as possible to milk residual profit. look at the Sequoia/Tundra/4Runny/LX/GX/Sienna. for the vehicles not primarily their bread and butter (Highlander/RX, Camry, Corolla, ES) they have always done this. But their lack of innovations from the engine standpoint is inexcusable, no matter how good their 2GR engine is.
Its only been typical of the company the last 10 years or so
Old 01-10-20 | 01:56 PM
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How is this a "third refresh"? Am I missing one? It came out in 2013 as a 2014 model and had its mid-cycle refresh in 2017. Wouldn't a 2021 refresh be the second?
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He meant 3rd variant of 3IS, ie Series III or Mark III.
Old 01-10-20 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by peteharvey
He meant 3rd variant of 3IS, ie Series III or Mark III.
Ah yes, that makes sense. 2nd refresh leads to the 3rd version. Thanks!

Only other thing that I have to add is, while I believe this may indeed be true, it is just a rumor at this point. I haven't seen any confirmation from Toyota/Lexus, so I think the thread title is a bit misleading.
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Originally Posted by Moisture
I dont really see how else they can refresh the styling.
a bigger grille?
Old 01-10-20 | 03:36 PM
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Why not Turbo the V8 like AMG does with the C63? WTF are they doing over there? A 340M will smoke an GSF, their M3/4 is not even in the same league performance-wise. Don't even get me started on the C63/S, there is nothing in the current Lexus line up keeping up with that.
Old 01-10-20 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Kense
Why not Turbo the V8 like AMG does with the C63? WTF are they doing over there? A 340M will smoke an GSF, their M3/4 is not even in the same league performance-wise. Don't even get me started on the C63/S, there is nothing in the current Lexus line up keeping up with that.
v8 engine doesn't fit in the current IS. why else you think they had the ISF (v8 in 2is body) and when 3is came out, they still had the ISF on sale? pretty bad design mistake imho
Old 01-10-20 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
v8 engine doesn't fit in the current IS. why else you think they had the ISF (v8 in 2is body) and when 3is came out, they still had the ISF on sale? pretty bad design mistake imho
The V8 fits fine.

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Old 01-10-20 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
v8 engine doesn't fit in the current IS. why else you think they had the ISF (v8 in 2is body) and when 3is came out, they still had the ISF on sale? pretty bad design mistake imho
Somebody already put that V8 in the current Gen IS , or how about just re-design the car and make it fit then. While their at it, make the grill smaller. Lexus is lazy and seems to have given up on performance.



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