Fizzboy7

I think the current IS facelift was a downgrade. The changed air intake openings up front have a strange (backward) shape to them, compared to the first version (more in line with current trends). And the saggy taillights (when lit) look droopy. Hope they fix things with the upcoming change.

Regardless, I feel it's weak to offer TWO facelifts for any model. I guess I'm used to most cars/SUV's getting one facelift, as has been done for the past forty years. If you strip everything away, this is just a cost-savings method that is gaining momentum. I don't think we are better off for it, as far as car owners and enthusiasts go.

bitkahuna

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assuming any of the 500 Chinese EV companies don't make Toyota's late entry EVs irrelevant.

pman6

EVs are not bread and butter vehicles.

lexus just needs to give fat discounts on the IS to move them

coolsaber

They already do with 20% off MSRP this past year

Propulsion

Disappointing..... Lexus currently has nothing in it’s stable that captivates me.
I want a performance sportback similar to the Audi S5 sportback and Kia Stinger.

coolsaber

The stinger is an example of great brand enhancement package, but next to no volume sales, as evidenced by the deep dealer discounts. I guess the same line of thinking exists for the IS, and by extension the now axed GS. Would Lexus be able to bring in new buyers or are the vocal few just from the existing demographic

Toys4RJill

It is probably a smart move for Toyota to forgo a full redesign of a new IS. Sedans are a declining segment and the IS was never really taking all that seriously when compared to a BMW or Mercedes which most people almost automatically over the IS. A very tough segment to offer a car in.

charley95

He was stating the GS was cancelled and I haven't heard any news yet on that. No one really knows what's going on with the GS at this point. Everyone was stating that 2018 was the last year for it and we now have a 2020 model. Everything is pure speculation at this point on the future of it. Maybe it will go away, maybe there will be a 2021 revamp. Who really knows?!

SW17LS

If the IS was given the attention by Lexus that MB gives the C Class and BMW gives the 3 Series, it would absolutely be a factor. Its passed over now because its just ancient compared to them.

AJT123

Needs to be larger, too. IS is a very small vehicle. (One of reasons we want rid of ours.) 3 Series and C-Class are nicely sized now.

rominl

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very cool, i stand corrected! in that case i think it's a real mystery (and stupid of lexus) to have rcf but never never build the 3isf

Bob04

Too little, too late.

coolsaber

I guess they saw what happened with the current GS. Proper effort to outclass the boaty F10 BMW 5 series...GS won every comparo, but lost every sales competition.

Hence why the already cancelled the GS successor and pivoted it as the next gen Mirai.

EZZ

I think a lot of the oxygen was sucked up by the Model 3 and crossovers. This combination probably made mgmt skeptical about the viability of the IS.

pman6

was that the average discount?

I remember back in 2007, I could get 12% discount, 2% more than average.

Are people able to get 22-25% discount on IS now?