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#182
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They are nothing alike whatsoever.
https://www.consumerreports.org/auto...lt-technology/
I think you're overgeneralizing a bit. Toyota has a long way to go, as do most other auto manufacturers who want to catch up to Tesla as far as things like battery efficiency and manufacturing. But Toyota at the moment isn't taking electrification as seriously as the other OEMs.
https://www.consumerreports.org/auto...lt-technology/
I think you're overgeneralizing a bit. Toyota has a long way to go, as do most other auto manufacturers who want to catch up to Tesla as far as things like battery efficiency and manufacturing. But Toyota at the moment isn't taking electrification as seriously as the other OEMs.
Last edited by Motorola; 04-05-20 at 10:48 PM.
#183
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I think the Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive system is superior. A Toyota hybrid is up to 600volts which is 12 times as powerful than a 48volt
Here is Toyota's take:
https://www.toyota.ie/world-of-toyot...ld-Hybrid.json
Here is Toyota's take:
https://www.toyota.ie/world-of-toyot...ld-Hybrid.json
#184
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Originally Posted by Motorola
They are nothing alike whatsoever.
https://www.consumerreports.org/auto...lt-technology/I think you're overgeneralizing a bit. Toyota has a long way to go, as do most other auto manufacturers who want to catch up to Tesla as far as things like battery efficiency and manufacturing. But Toyota at the moment isn't taking electrification as seriously as the other OEMs.
https://www.consumerreports.org/auto...lt-technology/I think you're overgeneralizing a bit. Toyota has a long way to go, as do most other auto manufacturers who want to catch up to Tesla as far as things like battery efficiency and manufacturing. But Toyota at the moment isn't taking electrification as seriously as the other OEMs.
#185
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Why are you comparing them? A mild hybrid system is not a substitute for a full hybrid, it's a more robust electrical system that aids in smoother start-stop and replaces the belt-driven accessories with an electrical one. The cars it's outfitted on are not hybrids. Essentially, it's the next transition in traditional gasoline vehicles akin to electric steering systems and shift-by-wire.
Toyota has nothing like it.
Toyota has nothing like it.
#186
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Why are you comparing them? A mild hybrid system is not a substitute for a full hybrid, it's a more robust electrical system that aids in smoother start-stop and replaces the belt-driven accessories with an electrical one. The cars it's outfitted on are not hybrids.
Toyota has nothing like it.
Toyota has nothing like it.
#187
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It's not a matter of if Toyota needs it or if their customers need it (to which you are not in a position to decide), but it's the fact that they do not have it despite everyone else trying to make it a standard. Nobody "needs" an electric steering rack over a hydraulic one, but there's no question that it's a superior system to the old one. Same goes for the 48V system, which adds little to the cost of existing vehicles and makes them mechanically simpler, while aiding with MPG's.
#188
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The new Toyota dynamic force engines are outstanding, not sure if they need it. And adding a 48V set up is going to add costs compared to a regular gas engine.
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#189
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I never said they could catch Tesla quickly but they can do an EV to try and catch VW at least. Inefficient EVs aren't that hard to do. If Lexus made an EV, it will be probably be less efficient with less performance but I bet it will be super reliable and that would be enough for its audience.
#190
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And yes, we know you believe Toyota is infallibale and nothing needs improvement. But they are lagging behind the rest of the industry by not implementing or even working on a mild hybrid system across their product line. As I mentioned before, adding a 48V system not only improves fuel economy but removes the complexity of a mechanical accessory belt driven system. This is not up for debate. And the price increase is negligible, especially compared to full hybrid systems.
#191
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Electric steering is superior mechanically. It removes the complexities associated with a hydraulic system. The tradeoff is less steering feel, but that has little relevance to most consumers outside of driving enthusiasts, and "steering feel" itself can be calibrated electrically. There is no question that it is better, which is why all manufacturers have moved onto it.
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Over a traditional gas engine, how much more expensive would a 48V engine be?
#192
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It adds only $800 to a Ram equipped with the larger 5.7-liter V8 engine, and it can boost fuel economy up to 10 percent
#193
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Your last few posts, you have certainly made a case for 48-volt architecture, I don't doubt that. I just don't see Toyota doing it as Toyota wants to push its Hybrid Synergy Drive, I think a mild hybrid option to go along with a full hybrid not to mention a plug-in option (Rav 4 Prime) would just add confusion and take away customers who would be willing to pay for a full hybrid Toyota. The Toyota hybrid setups work for the Toyota brand, why add confusion with a mild hybrid set up.
#194
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Your last few posts, you have certainly made a case for 48-volt architecture, I don't doubt that. I just don't see Toyota doing it as Toyota wants to push its Hybrid Synergy Drive, I think a mild hybrid option to go along with a full hybrid not to mention a plug-in option (Rav 4 Prime) would just add confusion and take away customers who would be willing to pay for a full hybrid Toyota. The Toyota hybrid setups work for the Toyota brand, why add confusion with a mild hybrid set up.
Given Toyota's history of pioneering hybrid vehicles, I'm surprised that they weren't among the first to implement 48V systems. Though I guess the same could be said about EV's. Instead they're focusing on hydrogen vehicles, which I don't think are a worthwhile endeavor (but the Japanese government pushing hydrogen so heavily is likely why Toyota is putting so much R&D into it).
#195
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Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-06-20 at 12:26 AM.