How does Lexus keep winning so many dependability awards?
02-11-20, 11:41 AM
#16
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Toyota is comparable to its competitors but Lexus is definitely behind. Compare engines...the 3L Turbo for BMW has been around since last generation and produces 450hp in the M3. The newer iterations will do far more with better gas mileage and Lexus only recently released a 3.5L turbo (i'm not going to even going to mention their BMW's V8 turbo line). Their transmissions are also much much more responsive. BMW chassis weigh less than comparable Lexus chassis due to their higher use of aluminum and other chassis technology (the IS was a couple hundred lbs heavier than a 3 series and smaller) . They have wireless Apple carplay, and gesture control in their infotainment (and their infotainment is far better).
This is just an example from 1 other luxury manufacturer...Mercedes and Audi are comparable to BMW but outdo Lexus in tech.
This is just an example from 1 other luxury manufacturer...Mercedes and Audi are comparable to BMW but outdo Lexus in tech.
The Germans have always had superior HP ratings (since 1990)...so its not the end of the world.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-11-20 at 11:44 AM.
02-11-20, 11:43 AM
#17
Cherry picking certain models that have been refreshed. What about the dinosaurs of Tundra, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, LX, GX and 4Runner? They have done a great job in some areas, but have been sleeping in other areas for sure.
02-11-20, 11:48 AM
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02-11-20, 12:06 PM
#19
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02-11-20, 05:56 PM
#20
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Lexus is very behind in tech. All you have to do is sit in a Lexus and a BMW or Audi or MB and it’s immediately apparent.
The argument that they are not behind just “different”
doesn’t hold any water.
The argument that they are not behind just “different”
doesn’t hold any water.
02-11-20, 06:01 PM
#21
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The is a wide spectrum and wide interpretation of what is tech. There is fine in the areas in some areas and not so fine in others. Same with everyone else.
02-11-20, 06:05 PM
#22
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I don’t agree. I don’t see anyplace technologically where Lexus is not behind their competitors. Infotainment, driver aid tech, Demi-autonomous driving, phone integration, it goes on and on.
They have some decent tech in the LS500, but only in the LS and it doesn’t extend to any other model while other manufacturers have a much wider availability of their more cutting edge technologies.
Lexus is truly for people who really don’t care about technology.
They have some decent tech in the LS500, but only in the LS and it doesn’t extend to any other model while other manufacturers have a much wider availability of their more cutting edge technologies.
Lexus is truly for people who really don’t care about technology.
02-12-20, 12:01 AM
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Eight years in a row for #1 in dependability by J D Power is an incredible streak and #1 by Consumer Reports. It is not just dependability however because Lexus is #1 in customer loyalty, customer satisfaction, lowest depreciation and third lowest in maintenance cost but by far lowest among the luxury manufacturers. Competition would give anything for #1 in any of these five categories let alone all five. I always go back to all these when someone post Lexus technology is behind.
02-12-20, 12:18 AM
#24
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_engine
Surely you're joking. Gutless and noisy. 169hp, 0-60 in 8.9 seconds. Read this review...
https://www.caranddriver.com/lexus/ux
3.5tt is pretty damn impressive.
New transmissions. Updates to infotainment. Unparalleled hybrid technology.
Case in point, how old are the Genesis engines?
02-13-20, 09:52 AM
#25
Based on the experience of the 2017 RX 350 we had, I would have to agree with the dependability bit. In 3 years of ownership, literally nothing failed. My wife loved it so much, we just signed up for a new 2020 RX F-Sport this last weekend. Before that she had a 2008 GS 350 that was bought new in 2007, nothing major failed on that car either.
02-13-20, 06:14 PM
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02-23-20, 02:11 PM
#27
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It's very important that we take some distance here.
BMW is not ahead of their time. I was, at first, also thinking that. But BMW does a lot of mistakes for the sake to ride the hype train. Their engines have more lots of horsepower yes, but suffer carbon buildup and quicker engine failure as payment. Lexus and Toyota do exactly the opposite in this regard, in going port and direct injection, they prevent successfully carbon buildup and a longer run.
They have given the market big horsepower and some sort of lightness. But are defintely behind in hybrid technology and long run toughness. They are starting paying very high fines for their lack of innovation and the exceeding pollution of their fleet, and will defintely suffer in a low emission car future.
They have cool infotainment though. What I not consider to be irrelevant if you want to enjoy a car that you will drive long, because all functions can today. I can clearly imagine that, if a heavy and long lasting economic crisis strikes us, BWM will be one of the brands that will feel the heat hotter than others out there.
BMW is not ahead of their time. I was, at first, also thinking that. But BMW does a lot of mistakes for the sake to ride the hype train. Their engines have more lots of horsepower yes, but suffer carbon buildup and quicker engine failure as payment. Lexus and Toyota do exactly the opposite in this regard, in going port and direct injection, they prevent successfully carbon buildup and a longer run.
They have given the market big horsepower and some sort of lightness. But are defintely behind in hybrid technology and long run toughness. They are starting paying very high fines for their lack of innovation and the exceeding pollution of their fleet, and will defintely suffer in a low emission car future.
They have cool infotainment though. What I not consider to be irrelevant if you want to enjoy a car that you will drive long, because all functions can today. I can clearly imagine that, if a heavy and long lasting economic crisis strikes us, BWM will be one of the brands that will feel the heat hotter than others out there.
02-23-20, 02:51 PM
#28
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There has to be a happy medium though. Lexus can absolutely be more innovative than they are and retain their reliability.
02-23-20, 02:56 PM
#29
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Last edited by Toys4RJill; 02-23-20 at 03:24 PM.
02-23-20, 03:40 PM
#30
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It's very important that we take some distance here.
BMW is not ahead of their time. I was, at first, also thinking that. But BMW does a lot of mistakes for the sake to ride the hype train. Their engines have more lots of horsepower yes, but suffer carbon buildup and quicker engine failure as payment. Lexus and Toyota do exactly the opposite in this regard, in going port and direct injection, they prevent successfully carbon buildup and a longer run.
They have given the market big horsepower and some sort of lightness. But are defintely behind in hybrid technology and long run toughness. They are starting paying very high fines for their lack of innovation and the exceeding pollution of their fleet, and will defintely suffer in a low emission car future.
They have cool infotainment though. What I not consider to be irrelevant if you want to enjoy a car that you will drive long, because all functions can today. I can clearly imagine that, if a heavy and long lasting economic crisis strikes us, BWM will be one of the brands that will feel the heat hotter than others out there.
BMW is not ahead of their time. I was, at first, also thinking that. But BMW does a lot of mistakes for the sake to ride the hype train. Their engines have more lots of horsepower yes, but suffer carbon buildup and quicker engine failure as payment. Lexus and Toyota do exactly the opposite in this regard, in going port and direct injection, they prevent successfully carbon buildup and a longer run.
They have given the market big horsepower and some sort of lightness. But are defintely behind in hybrid technology and long run toughness. They are starting paying very high fines for their lack of innovation and the exceeding pollution of their fleet, and will defintely suffer in a low emission car future.
They have cool infotainment though. What I not consider to be irrelevant if you want to enjoy a car that you will drive long, because all functions can today. I can clearly imagine that, if a heavy and long lasting economic crisis strikes us, BWM will be one of the brands that will feel the heat hotter than others out there.