Genesis beats Lexus and ranks #1 brand in JD Power Dependability
02-14-20, 12:02 PM
#61
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The data JD power used is based on 3 years of ownership. I couldn't care less about the dependability of the first 3 years, as the car would be under the comprehensive warranty. I want to know reliability 5+ years out. That, to me, speaks volume on a cars quality. My nearly 30 year old SC400 is more solid than many of the newer cars I've driven and it's never required anything more than standard maintenance items.
as for your 30 yr old SC400, wonderful car but there's no parallel to how cars are built today even by Lexus.
02-14-20, 12:04 PM
#62
To explain what happened, I cannot state this as a fact, but one (very likely) reason for the sudden upswing in the brand's reliability is that Cadillac got caught off guard so suddenly with the introduction of the newest Lincoln products, that it was like a splash of cold water in the face. Cadillac management saw that they were going to have to so something (quick) to improve the image of their products, and QC on the assembly line was obviously a good place to start....no more sloppy fit/finish, loose-fitting parts, leaking fluids under the hood, sub-standard paint jobs, or unnecessary trips back to the dealer to fix or adjust what should have been done at the factory to start with.
02-14-20, 12:07 PM
#63
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Another thing that makes these surveys challenging and of dubious value is we live in an automotive world (and world in general) of continuous improvement. so even if say, the first 6 months of a new cars production have common issues that tanks their reliability ratings, if it's fixed 6 months and a day after launch, everyone getting the car from that point on will not experience what the first 6 months of owners did.
Tesla is a good example of this. It's fair to say the first years worth of model 3's had ALL kinds of problems, but tesla was mad busy fixing them as they came along. A new 3 today probably has few if any problems, yet someone buying based off 'reliability studies' might stay away, which is unfortunate.
Tesla is a good example of this. It's fair to say the first years worth of model 3's had ALL kinds of problems, but tesla was mad busy fixing them as they came along. A new 3 today probably has few if any problems, yet someone buying based off 'reliability studies' might stay away, which is unfortunate.
02-14-20, 12:07 PM
#64
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02-14-20, 12:11 PM
#65
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My take is that in the last 3 years Cadillac has produced 3 SUV's that are as good as any.
02-14-20, 12:13 PM
#66
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02-14-20, 12:20 PM
#67
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To explain what happened, I cannot state this as a fact, but one (very likely) reason for the sudden upswing in the brand's reliability is that Cadillac got caught off guard so suddenly with the introduction of the newest Lincoln products, that it was like a splash of cold water in the face. Cadillac management saw that they were going to have to so something (quick) to improve the image of their products, and QC on the assembly line was obviously a good place to start....no more sloppy fit/finish, loose-fitting parts, leaking fluids under the hood, sub-standard paint jobs, or unnecessary trips back to the dealer to fix or adjust what should have been done at the factory to start with.
02-14-20, 12:29 PM
#68
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can do if and when the bean-counters don't stand in the way.
If I seem to remember when GM cancelled all of their future sedan development and closed some of their plants, they said they were going to put resources and focus on what they do best, SUVs and trucks.
02-14-20, 01:13 PM
#69
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I don't think lincoln's issues or supposedly now 'solid-build fit/finish and material quality' have had any impact on cadillac. Gm and cadillac know the stakes and have to compete with the world's best.
Lincoln is showing us what auto manufacturers (even Detroit LOL) can do if and when the bean-counters don't stand in the way.
can do if and when the bean-counters don't stand in the way.
About quality and cost, 'defects' can be fixed in 3 places:
- design/testing
- manufacturing
- recalls
A rule of thing is the cost from first to second might be 10x and another 10x from second to third.
So short-changing the design/test cycle is PROFOUNDLY short-sighted.
02-14-20, 01:37 PM
#70
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- Most Dependable Model: The Lexus ES is the highest-ranked model in the 2020 study. Its score of 52 PP100 is the best ever recorded in the 31-year history of the study.
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02-14-20, 05:44 PM
#71
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This Autoblog article (which, I think, has been posted before in Explorer/Aviator threads) explains it better than I can:
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/09/16/...ontrol-issues/
I don't think lincoln's issues or supposedly now 'solid-build fit/finish and material quality' have had any impact on cadillac. Gm and cadillac know the stakes and have to compete with the world's best.
02-14-20, 05:46 PM
#72
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So the outgoing lexus ES is the most dependable model in the history of the study. Pretty impressive
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I would have guessed the Toyota Land Cruiser/Lexus LX, although they may not sell in large enough numbers, in the American market, to have a well-developed pattern in either Power's or CR's reliability ratings.
02-14-20, 09:58 PM
#73
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02-15-20, 03:08 AM
#74
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Honestly. I would have had no idea what vehicle would be #1 from the Lexus brand. Results from many of these surveys are very vague, so it’s hard to get right to the details to know why the ES set the record.
02-15-20, 07:40 AM
#75
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It's hard to beat the way that the Land Cruiser/LX is designed and built, from a durability/reliabilitystandpoint.