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Old 02-24-20 | 11:31 AM
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Default Subaru Plans Hot New 400 Horsepower Boxer Turbo For Next-Gen WRX STI



Subaru’s mighty flagship sports car, the WRX STI, is destined for a major upgrade come 2021. Sources close to the Japanese automaker tell us that the next generation WRX STI will employ an all-new 2.4-liter boxer turbo, called the FA24, pumping out no less than 400 horsepower and 361 lb-ft of torque.

That’s a significant power boost over the current STI which develops 304 hp and 311 lb-ft of torque. The brand’s current Japan-spec WRX STI is powered by a tweaked and tuned version of the Impreza WRX’s 2.0-liter boxer turbo, known affectionately in motoring circles as the EJ20. That engine has been around since 1989, in different iterations since it debuted in the first generation Subaru Legacy. This boxer powerplant was also the engine that competing in, and won three World Rally Championships Manufacturers titles in the mid-90s and three driver’s titles from 1995 to 2003.

According to our source, the U.S.-spec 2.5-liter boxer turbo powered WRX, featuring the EJ25 engine, will remain in service until the next-generation WRX Series is introduced after 2021.

Now, let’s get back to the legendary Japan-spec EJ20. Honed on the rough and tough rally stages around the world, this boxer engine has powered Subaru through 30 years of rally competition and several generations of production cars and gained a legion of fans worldwide in the process.

But all good things must come to an end. Stricter fuel economy and emissions regulations demand a more efficient, cleaner engine and the all-new FA24 boxer turbo has been identified as the powerplant of choice. Subaru fans will immediately realize that the FA24 boxer turbo just happens to be the same engine that powers the current model Ascent SUV. In Ascent spec, the FA24 generates 260 hp.

In next-generation WRX STI spec however, that same FA24 engine will receive significant upgrades to achieve that smoking hot figure of 400 hp. According to our source, the reworked FA24 in STI spec will employ a reinforced crankshaft and pistons, optimized timing balance, fine-tuned valves and intake ports, boost pressure will be tweaked and brake capacity will be enhanced, among other modifications. And married to the brand’s tried and proven symmetrical full-time 4WD system, expect nothing less than class-leading performance and handling.

In creating the new more powerful STI engine, Subaru engineer’s apparently benchmarked the Mercedes-AMG 2.0-liter turbo — as found in the A45 and CLA45 — which pumps out 416 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. This engine is currently recognized as the most powerful 2.0-liter series-production four-cylinder engine on the planet.

And what about the all important styling of the new STI? Expect the next-gen model to don sheetmetal similar to that in the photograph above, styling that takes significant design hints from the Subaru Viziv Performance Concept first seen at the 2017 Tokyo Motor Show. Characterized by a low, wide body and huge flared fenders, the Viziv concept was one of the Tokyo’s highlights back in 2017.

While hardcore Subarists will be hoping designers don’t alter the body too much from that Viziv concept, they will also be nodding feverishly at a spec sheet that starts with maximum output hovering around 400hp and a price tag expecting to undercut $50,000.
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400hp? That's it? Sport sedans like the G8 GT were making that back in 2008, naturally aspirated, and the Chevy SS made more than that. Both at a similar price.

At this point, 450hp should have been the bare minimum they went for.
Were they making those horsepowers with a small turbocharged 4 cylinder?
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Originally Posted by situman
Were they making those horsepowers with a small turbocharged 4 cylinder?


lol @450 bare minimum.

the next generation WRX STI will employ an all-new 2.4-liter boxer turbo, called the FA24, pumping out no less than 400 horsepower and 361 lb-ft of torque. the FA24 boxer turbo just happens to be the same engine that powers the current model Ascent SUV. In Ascent spec, the FA24 generates 260 hp.
In creating the new more powerful STI engine, Subaru engineer’s apparently benchmarked the Mercedes-AMG 2.0-liter turbo — as found in the A45 and CLA45 — which pumps out 416 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. This engine is currently recognized as the most powerful 2.0-liter series-production four-cylinder engine on the planet.
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Lets see how much it costs. If its around ~$40k, this will have competitive power. In the $50k range, there are better options.
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Problem is Subaru has no competition in this niche space.
Mitsu EVO is gone, so is the Focus RS.

VW Golf and Civic TypeR are only competition and FWD.
Subaru has a very advanced AWD system which is big plus for a lot of enthusiasts who need a car for all year conditions.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Problem is Subaru has no competition in this niche space.
Mitsu EVO is gone, so is the Focus RS.

VW Golf and Civic TypeR are only competition and FWD.
Subaru has a very advanced AWD system which is big plus for a lot of enthusiasts who need a car for all year conditions.
iirc the next RS will be plug-in or so I've read

Golf R is AWD iirc

No idea what is planned for the WRX, but I'd wager it goes to around 300-320hp if the STI variant plans to hit 400hp
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I wonder if this will beat a Tesla 3
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I wonder if this will beat a Tesla 3
The M3 with 450hp isn't competitive with the Performance 3 which is pushing ~525hp and instant torque. It's actually more inline with the standard AWD model which does the 60 in 3.5 seconds with acceleration boost option. I think this STI will be slower and do the 60 in 4 seconds.
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The STIs are special vehicles, another boxer engine just feels tame. Electrify it on the low end and ADD this engine for the top end of the RPM and you have got a hitmaker
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Originally Posted by EZZ
The M3 with 450hp isn't competitive with the Performance 3 which is pushing ~525hp and instant torque. It's actually more inline with the standard AWD model which does the 60 in 3.5 seconds with acceleration boost option. I think this STI will be slower and do the 60 in 4 seconds.
Makes someone wonder why anyone would not buy the Tesla 3 over the Subi
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Makes someone wonder why anyone would not buy the Tesla 3 over the Subi
A lot of people still prefer ICE. I guess it depends on price as an STI at $40k would be very enticing while $50k, it would compete with Model 3s and Genesis G70 3.3L Turbos. You can get an S4 around $50-55k too.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Makes someone wonder why anyone would not buy the Tesla 3 over the Subi
Because not everyone wants to spend half an hr to and hour at a charging station or look for chargers when they are out and about or stress about making sure to plug the thing in so they have power in teh morning. U know, useless things.
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sweet another turbo engine tuned to within an inch of its life
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Makes someone wonder why anyone would not buy the Tesla 3 over the Subi
Maybe the Tesla 3 is goofy looking/ugly as sin inside and out and is severely compromised as a vehicle to take longer trips in or maybe people live on second or higher floors in apartments or in the city and are unable to reliably charge their cars, many reasons.
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Originally Posted by MysteryMob
400hp? That's it? Sport sedans like the G8 GT were making that back in 2008, naturally aspirated, and the Chevy SS made more than that. Both at a similar price.

At this point, 450hp should have been the bare minimum they went for.
different car but Mustang GTs start 36k before discounts. Full bolt ons + tune gets you near 500 rwhp and its modability will be much greater than this STi



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