Next time may be a little different.
#16
Lexus Champion
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At most legal speeds in the U.S., and/or under most driving conditions, most people probably won't really notice the difference between FWD an RWD handling unless they really push it. RWD superiority is most noticeable under track conditions, which the average driver doesn't do.
#17
Lexus Test Driver
Totally agree. Its the feeling of balance in the cornering vs. the pushing and off setting feel of heavy FWD vehicles. Drive an X5 and RX back to back and even the AWD versions of those cars, the RWD chassis just feels more engaging. The SQ5 is also FWD based but the quattro version with the torsion AWD system is confidence inspiring.
#18
Totally agree. Its the feeling of balance in the cornering vs. the pushing and off setting feel of heavy FWD vehicles. Drive an X5 and RX back to back and even the AWD versions of those cars, the RWD chassis just feels more engaging. The SQ5 is also FWD based but the quattro version with the torsion AWD system is confidence inspiring.
#19
Lexus Champion
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Totally agree. Its the feeling of balance in the cornering vs. the pushing and off setting feel of heavy FWD vehicles. Drive an X5 and RX back to back and even the AWD versions of those cars, the RWD chassis just feels more engaging. The SQ5 is also FWD based but the quattro version with the torsion AWD system is confidence inspiring.
#20
Lexus Fanatic
Lexus has the technology for torque vectoring. Two years ago they debuted Dynamic Torque Vectoring AWD (distributes torque to the left and right rear wheels) and E-Four. The problem is they have barely employed it on their vehicles as of yet and have not taken advantage of a snazzy name like Quattro, SH-AWD, xDrive, 4Matic, 4Motion, Symmetrical AWD etc. which helps sell.
The Torsen set up is proactive. It’s also all mechanical.
Toyota also has a torque vectoring diff in their RWD F cars.
#21
The outgoing awd on their Lexus cars and GX and LX is a very good system. I’d argue it is superior. The Torsen system NEVER turns off and can sense slip before slip occurs, can move traction to either wheel at F or R but always is splitting at the Center. People don’t realize what it is. Sad.
The Torsen set up is proactive. It’s also all mechanical.
Toyota also has a torque vectoring diff in their RWD F cars.
The Torsen set up is proactive. It’s also all mechanical.
Toyota also has a torque vectoring diff in their RWD F cars.
#22
Lexus Fanatic
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#24
Lexus Fanatic
#25
I don’t think they will keep the Torsen awd for the cars in the future. That is what I mean. I think they will go to this new system. You said Quattro, 4Matic etc which is used on their sedans and never mentioned they have something very good as it is. So if you are just referring to RX or UX all good. IS has a Torsen set up.
#26
Lexus Fanatic
You missed my point on that one. Not all of the AWD systems I mentioned are equal, but they all share one thing in common: they have a name. With Lexus there is no branding with their old or new setup which is a mistake IMO. Names sell. I think they are missing an opportunity if they don't name their new system.
Full time 4WD has a lot of marketing power to those who understand and value it. Mercedes does not use 4Matic for their G wagon, they go with four wheel drive.
Toyota does market their awd in the RAV as “on demand” I think. And there is E-awd I think for the hybrid.
Rumor is 4active might be their naming structure.
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#27
Lexus Fanatic
You and I were raised (and learned to drive) in a clearly different environment, where people actually had to do just that.......DRIVE. We didn't have electronic safety-nannies doing everything for us, and/or didn't have to depend on video-screens. Today's younger drivers grew up in a completely different environment, with the whole world literally in their hands, on a Smart-Phone screen, and expect more or less the same thing in their vehicles.
Theres a tendency in life and certainly on this forum to look down at younger generations and belittle what their frame of reference is and imply that their preferences are somehow wrong because you had a different life experience than they did. Well, thats what older generations thought of your generation, and what older generations than that thought of them.
We can make fun of the interior of a Tesla Model 3, but in reality that vehicle is a tremendous success. They are everywhere and the people that have them love them. So, who are we to say that way of designing an interior is wrong?
#28
I kinda disagree. Toyota markets their Lexus body on frame 4WD as “full time 4WD”. For the suvs. The cars are just awd but they make sure Torsen is talked about in their literature. Upcoming Avalon and Camry are just “awd” and they made special emphasis to make sure people know it’s called just awd.
Full time 4WD has a lot of marketing power to those who understand and value it. Mercedes does not use 4Matic for their G wagon, they go with four wheel drive.
Toyota does market their awd in the RAV as “on demand” I think. And there is E-awd I think for the hybrid.
Rumor is 4active might be their naming structure.
Full time 4WD has a lot of marketing power to those who understand and value it. Mercedes does not use 4Matic for their G wagon, they go with four wheel drive.
Toyota does market their awd in the RAV as “on demand” I think. And there is E-awd I think for the hybrid.
Rumor is 4active might be their naming structure.
Quattro has so much value. Acura made the mistake of dropping SH-AWD from the second generation RDX, but rectified that by adding it back for the 3rd generation
Rumor is 4Active is the name of this upcoming car based on the FT-4X concept. The 4Runner's little brother
#29
Lexus Fanatic
I'm not so much worried about niche vehicles like the GX and LX which have loyal followings. EVERYONE knows they are 4WD. Same would go for the G-Wagen, it was developed for the German army, so obviously it's capable.
Quattro has so much value. Acura made the mistake of dropping SH-AWD from the second generation RDX, but rectified that by adding it back for the 3rd generation
Rumor is 4Active is the name of this upcoming car based on the FT-4X concept. The 4Runner's little brother
Quattro has so much value. Acura made the mistake of dropping SH-AWD from the second generation RDX, but rectified that by adding it back for the 3rd generation
Rumor is 4Active is the name of this upcoming car based on the FT-4X concept. The 4Runner's little brother
Lexus was quite brilliant in the mid 90s with LX and RX where the X was for 4WD.
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#30
Lexus Champion
I'm not so much worried about niche vehicles like the GX and LX which have loyal followings. EVERYONE knows they are 4WD. Same would go for the G-Wagen, it was developed for the German army, so obviously it's capable.
Quattro has so much value. Acura made the mistake of dropping SH-AWD from the second generation RDX, but rectified that by adding it back for the 3rd generation
Rumor is 4Active is the name of this upcoming car based on the FT-4X concept. The 4Runner's little brother
Quattro has so much value. Acura made the mistake of dropping SH-AWD from the second generation RDX, but rectified that by adding it back for the 3rd generation
Rumor is 4Active is the name of this upcoming car based on the FT-4X concept. The 4Runner's little brother