Tesla owners trades in for an LS500
03-15-20, 10:00 AM
#31
Lexus Champion
This appears to be a viral campaign by Lexus reeks of desperation.
03-15-20, 10:03 AM
#32
Lexus Fanatic
03-15-20, 10:06 AM
#33
Lexus Champion
Classic FUD. There are unhappy owners for every brand you think Toyota owners are happy right now with millions being recalled? But keep banging that drum it won't make any difference Tesla is growing exponentially.
03-15-20, 10:16 AM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
People that have had problematic Teslas and bad experiences with Tesla service absolutely will be dramatically relieved by having a Lexus, and Lexus dealers. I have a good friend who has a Model S and a Model X, her situation has been ridiculous. Stalling on the road, being towed to the Tesla "center" and waiting weeks and weeks to even have it looked at. She's had long stretches of time where neither of her Teslas have been on the road. That absolutely will not happen with a Lexus, or a Mercedes, or a BMW or whatever.
As for Toyota "recalls", its no big deal. You come to the dealer, the recall is done and you leave. The two situations are totally different.
Admitting Tesla has some serious warts they need to deal with doesn't diminish what Tesla has accomplished. Owning a Tesla requires a certain amount of understanding of challenges that are different than owning a car made and supported by an established company...lets put it that way. Early adopters and fanboys will deal with that and explain that away, but for people who just want a car ifs a deal breaker when they encounter these problems.
And to be honest, the zealotry that has been displayed here from Tesla fans and certainly on the Tesla forums is extremely off putting to me, and it makes it a lot less likely I would ever try a Tesla.
03-15-20, 10:43 AM
#35
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by SW17LS
I actually have championed Tesla, but they don't make cars that appeal to me in the way traditional luxury cars appeal to me. Thats what this person has found as well.
People that have had problematic Teslas and bad experiences with Tesla service absolutely will be dramatically relieved by having a Lexus, and Lexus dealers. I have a good friend who has a Model S and a Model X, her situation has been ridiculous. Stalling on the road, being towed to the Tesla "center" and waiting weeks and weeks to even have it looked at. She's had long stretches of time where neither of her Teslas have been on the road. That absolutely will not happen with a Lexus, or a Mercedes, or a BMW or whatever.
As for Toyota "recalls", its no big deal. You come to the dealer, the recall is done and you leave. The two situations are totally different.
Admitting Tesla has some serious warts they need to deal with doesn't diminish what Tesla has accomplished. Owning a Tesla requires a certain amount of understanding of challenges that are different than owning a car made and supported by an established company...lets put it that way. Early adopters and fanboys will deal with that and explain that away, but for people who just want a car ifs a deal breaker when they encounter these problems.
And to be honest, the zealotry that has been displayed here from Tesla fans and certainly on the Tesla forums is extremely off putting to me, and it makes it a lot less likely I would ever try a Tesla.
People that have had problematic Teslas and bad experiences with Tesla service absolutely will be dramatically relieved by having a Lexus, and Lexus dealers. I have a good friend who has a Model S and a Model X, her situation has been ridiculous. Stalling on the road, being towed to the Tesla "center" and waiting weeks and weeks to even have it looked at. She's had long stretches of time where neither of her Teslas have been on the road. That absolutely will not happen with a Lexus, or a Mercedes, or a BMW or whatever.
As for Toyota "recalls", its no big deal. You come to the dealer, the recall is done and you leave. The two situations are totally different.
Admitting Tesla has some serious warts they need to deal with doesn't diminish what Tesla has accomplished. Owning a Tesla requires a certain amount of understanding of challenges that are different than owning a car made and supported by an established company...lets put it that way. Early adopters and fanboys will deal with that and explain that away, but for people who just want a car ifs a deal breaker when they encounter these problems.
And to be honest, the zealotry that has been displayed here from Tesla fans and certainly on the Tesla forums is extremely off putting to me, and it makes it a lot less likely I would ever try a Tesla.
03-15-20, 10:46 AM
#36
Lexus Fanatic
I doubt you'd ever be interested in a Tesla. It's the complete antithesis of Lexus. It's not luxurious, softly sprung, uber reliable, or has exceptional service. The average age of the two brands are nearly 20 years apart. Completely diametrically different brands in the luxury segments. .
I find your description funny though lol. To reverse it who wouldn’t want a luxury car that isn’t luxurious, rides poorly, is unreliable and is sold by a company with terrible customer service? LOL
03-15-20, 10:56 AM
#37
Lexus Champion
People that have had problematic Teslas and bad experiences with Tesla service absolutely will be dramatically relieved by having a Lexus, and Lexus dealers. I have a good friend who has a Model S and a Model X, her situation has been ridiculous. Stalling on the road, being towed to the Tesla "center" and waiting weeks and weeks to even have it looked at. She's had long stretches of time where neither of her Teslas have been on the road. That absolutely will not happen with a Lexus, or a Mercedes, or a BMW or whatever.
03-15-20, 11:02 AM
#38
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by SW17LS
I totally agree. There are a lot of people who bought Tesla’s though who did so without recognizing those differences who aren’t satisfied. Not everybody loves them who own them.
I find your description funny though lol. To reverse it who wouldn’t want a luxury car that isn’t luxurious, rides poorly, is unreliable and is sold by a company with terrible customer service? LOL
I find your description funny though lol. To reverse it who wouldn’t want a luxury car that isn’t luxurious, rides poorly, is unreliable and is sold by a company with terrible customer service? LOL
03-15-20, 11:41 AM
#39
Lexus Fanatic
03-15-20, 12:02 PM
#40
Lexus Champion
03-15-20, 12:04 PM
#41
Lexus Fanatic
Even Mercedes and BMW!
03-15-20, 12:09 PM
#42
Lexus Champion
BMW Announces Stop Sale On Some M Models Over Transmission Issue
"never happens"
"never happens"
The location and routing of the transmission wiring harness can cause damage to the components that can eventually lead to a short circuit. The issue could cause the gearbox to shift into neutral while someone is driving, which could be dangerous
03-15-20, 12:36 PM
#43
Lexus Fanatic
This isn’t the same thing and you know it.
03-15-20, 12:57 PM
#44
Lexus Champion
I know someone with an X5 the car stalls out with no warning sometimes it won't start. No one can fix it, literally no one. The car is a giant brick at this point. But I don't go around saying don't buy BMW, no auto maker is immune to this type of thing.
03-15-20, 01:28 PM
#45
I actually have championed Tesla, but they don't make cars that appeal to me in the way traditional luxury cars appeal to me. Thats what this person has found as well.
People that have had problematic Teslas and bad experiences with Tesla service absolutely will be dramatically relieved by having a Lexus, and Lexus dealers. I have a good friend who has a Model S and a Model X, her situation has been ridiculous. Stalling on the road, being towed to the Tesla "center" and waiting weeks and weeks to even have it looked at. She's had long stretches of time where neither of her Teslas have been on the road. That absolutely will not happen with a Lexus, or a Mercedes, or a BMW or whatever.
As for Toyota "recalls", its no big deal. You come to the dealer, the recall is done and you leave. The two situations are totally different.
Admitting Tesla has some serious warts they need to deal with doesn't diminish what Tesla has accomplished. Owning a Tesla requires a certain amount of understanding of challenges that are different than owning a car made and supported by an established company...lets put it that way. Early adopters and fanboys will deal with that and explain that away, but for people who just want a car ifs a deal breaker when they encounter these problems.
And to be honest, the zealotry that has been displayed here from Tesla fans and certainly on the Tesla forums is extremely off putting to me, and it makes it a lot less likely I would ever try a Tesla.
People that have had problematic Teslas and bad experiences with Tesla service absolutely will be dramatically relieved by having a Lexus, and Lexus dealers. I have a good friend who has a Model S and a Model X, her situation has been ridiculous. Stalling on the road, being towed to the Tesla "center" and waiting weeks and weeks to even have it looked at. She's had long stretches of time where neither of her Teslas have been on the road. That absolutely will not happen with a Lexus, or a Mercedes, or a BMW or whatever.
As for Toyota "recalls", its no big deal. You come to the dealer, the recall is done and you leave. The two situations are totally different.
Admitting Tesla has some serious warts they need to deal with doesn't diminish what Tesla has accomplished. Owning a Tesla requires a certain amount of understanding of challenges that are different than owning a car made and supported by an established company...lets put it that way. Early adopters and fanboys will deal with that and explain that away, but for people who just want a car ifs a deal breaker when they encounter these problems.
And to be honest, the zealotry that has been displayed here from Tesla fans and certainly on the Tesla forums is extremely off putting to me, and it makes it a lot less likely I would ever try a Tesla.