Tesla owners trades in for an LS500
03-15-20, 06:05 PM
#61
Lexus Fanatic
It's really no different than Land Rovers and the customers loyal to them. There are many people that love them despite some of the reliability issues they have and that's okay but when some of these loyal customers ignore/dismiss any issues other people bring up and minimizes it because of their partiality to the brand, it's gets annoying.
03-15-20, 06:09 PM
#62
Lead Lap
Oh there is no doubt there, I see it on many other forums I frequent with some of the Tesla owners, not just the Tesla forum. It’s almost personal to many of them if someone mentions something wrong, even if it is not related to the car itself like the delivery, service, etc.
03-15-20, 06:35 PM
#63
Lexus Test Driver
I believe part of the reason Tesla owners get defensive is there is so much FUD they have to defend that it's at the point they defend everything (which is wrong too). I agree that service needs work, quality needs to get better, interior design / quality needs improvement, and charging infrastructure needs a bigger rollout. I just defend the truly stupid $h!t like batteries need replacing every 100k, charging takes an hour, and Tesla doesn't make any money 
If you're gonna criticize Tesla, at least make it valid 
If you're gonna criticize Tesla, at least make it valid
03-15-20, 06:41 PM
#64
Lexus Fanatic
Lots of negative comments in the thread about Tesla service.....I can't either verify or deny them, simply because I have never owned a Tesla or took one in for service. But, to me, at least, looking in from the outside, it may (?) get back to what I said a long time ago about the way Tesla runs the dealerships and service facilities. At a typical run-of-the-mill (privately-owned) Ford or Chevy dealership, if you don't like the service, next time you can try out another dealership, which is not likely to be very far away. Not necessarily so with the Tesla company-owned shops.
03-15-20, 06:50 PM
#65
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Lots of negative comments in the thread about Tesla service.....I can't either verify or deny them, simply because I have never owned a Tesla or took one in for service. But, to me, at least, looking in from the outside, it may (?) get back to what I said a long time ago about the way Tesla runs the dealerships and service facilities. At a typical run-of-the-mill (privately-owned) Ford or Chevy dealership, if you don't like the service, next time you can try out another dealership, which is not likely to be very far away. Not necessarily so with the Tesla company-owned shops.
03-15-20, 06:57 PM
#66
Lexus Fanatic
Most places don't necessarily operate that way, though Lincoln does, to an extent, with its Black Label service, and a lot of shops do things for repeat customers that newbies don't necessarily get. My local GM shop, for example, as a repeat customer, gives me free car washes anytime I want (within reason), even though you usually don't get something like that at a Chevy or Buick level of service.
03-15-20, 07:13 PM
#67
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by mmarshall
So, at that shop, the customers that spend the most money, on the highest-priced vehicles, get the best service?
Most places don't necessarily operate that way, though Lincoln does, to an extent, with its Black Label service, and a lot of shops do things for repeat customers that newbies don't necessarily get. My local GM shop, for example, as a repeat customer, gives me free car washes anytime I want (within reason), even though you usually don't get something like that at a Chevy or Buick level of service.
Most places don't necessarily operate that way, though Lincoln does, to an extent, with its Black Label service, and a lot of shops do things for repeat customers that newbies don't necessarily get. My local GM shop, for example, as a repeat customer, gives me free car washes anytime I want (within reason), even though you usually don't get something like that at a Chevy or Buick level of service.
03-15-20, 07:25 PM
#68
Lead Lap
I believe part of the reason Tesla owners get defensive is there is so much FUD they have to defend that it's at the point they defend everything (which is wrong too). I agree that service needs work, quality needs to get better, interior design / quality needs improvement, and charging infrastructure needs a bigger rollout. I just defend the truly stupid $h!t like batteries need replacing every 100k, charging takes an hour, and Tesla doesn't make any money If you're gonna criticize Tesla, at least make it valid
If you're gonna criticize Tesla, at least make it valid With that being said I do like almost everything Tesla does, even the ugly cybertruck I have grown to love.
03-15-20, 08:32 PM
#69
Lexus Fanatic
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same old tesla debates...
03-15-20, 09:26 PM
#70
Lexus Fanatic
Even with Tesla's reliability issues I'd still take it over a BMW they are a nightmare to work on there are body modules everywhere, rats nest wiring and over engineering (but not for the better) where ever you look. Tesla is a work of art electrically and mechanically by comparison.
Lexus is way ahead mechanically but has become an electrical rats nest as well recently. Still dead reliable for the most part.
Lexus is way ahead mechanically but has become an electrical rats nest as well recently. Still dead reliable for the most part.
03-15-20, 11:13 PM
#71
Despite Tesla's lack of experience in engineering, manufacture, assembly - Teslas are still great cars just like GM, Ford, Mercedes, BMW and Audi etc.
If you want maximum build quality like OP, you must generally go to Toyota Motor Corp.
Selling Teslas by "dumping" at low prices for year after year of losses is an interesting ploy, and only time will tell how Tesla turns out...
If you want maximum build quality like OP, you must generally go to Toyota Motor Corp.
Selling Teslas by "dumping" at low prices for year after year of losses is an interesting ploy, and only time will tell how Tesla turns out...
03-16-20, 07:15 AM
#73
Pole Position
Despite Tesla's lack of experience in engineering, manufacture, assembly - Teslas are still great cars just like GM, Ford, Mercedes, BMW and Audi etc.
If you want maximum build quality like OP, you must generally go to Toyota Motor Corp.
Selling Teslas by "dumping" at low prices for year after year of losses is an interesting ploy, and only time will tell how Tesla turns out...
If you want maximum build quality like OP, you must generally go to Toyota Motor Corp.
Selling Teslas by "dumping" at low prices for year after year of losses is an interesting ploy, and only time will tell how Tesla turns out...
03-16-20, 07:27 AM
#74
Intermediate
Beautiful LS you have there!
03-16-20, 07:30 AM
#75
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by Freds430
Well said. Tesla has been in business for 16 years and has never come close to making a profit. Last year they lost 862 million and 980 million in 2018. Going back to the OP the Model S has the highest insurance cost of any car according to the Insurance Bureau. The average annual premium is $2,900. The LS at an average of 23 mpg over 12,000 miles and gas at $2.50 will cost $1,304 a year in gas. The Tesla based on average electricity rates cost $650 a year for the same 12,000 miles. Factor in the insurance cost difference and the Lexus is significantly more economically. Is the Tesla faster oh yeah. Is the Lexus more reliable oh yeah. Consumer Reports ranks Lexus #1 and Tesla #23 out of 31 in dependability.
