Tesla owners trades in for an LS500
03-17-20, 07:04 AM
#107
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by peteharvey
We'll see about that...Fanaticism...
Ezz, you could sell ice to the eskimos - if you can make people think that Tesla's loss is a profit.
Again, long term we shall see.
As I said before, Teslas are great products just like GMs, Fords, Benz, BMWs and Audis.
However, unlike the other 5 big players, we can't just keep on selling a product below cost forever.
And you can't make up R&D and infrastructure excuses either - all companies incur these costs, yet they still must turn a profit.
The longer the annual losses drag on, the worse the future outcome for Tesla...
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Ezz, you could sell ice to the eskimos - if you can make people think that Tesla's loss is a profit.
Again, long term we shall see.
As I said before, Teslas are great products just like GMs, Fords, Benz, BMWs and Audis.
However, unlike the other 5 big players, we can't just keep on selling a product below cost forever.
And you can't make up R&D and infrastructure excuses either - all companies incur these costs, yet they still must turn a profit.
The longer the annual losses drag on, the worse the future outcome for Tesla...
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There's no use arguing with you in things you don't understand.
03-17-20, 08:54 AM
#108
You think I make this stuff up? Hahaha. Go read any of the analyst reports on Tesla (if you even know what that is). They are fundamentally valued at over $100B because of what I reiterated from analyst reports and what the street believes. There's no use arguing with you in things you don't understand.
There's no use arguing with you in things you don't understand.Yet stock market value is so volatile.
It was only the middle of last year when Tesla stocks were only a paltry $179.85 each...
03-17-20, 08:59 AM
#109
Lexus Test Driver
You realize company valuation is based on future P&L expectations going forward right? Not what happened in the past which is completely meaningless at this point right. If you can't understand that, I can't explain it to you.
03-17-20, 09:48 AM
#111
Lexus Fanatic
tesla is clearly a very innovative company. but selling a "full self driving" option for $7K for YEARS that's offered NOTHING of the sort, is totally deceptive and they should be in legal trouble for this. and tesla's founder and salespeople continue to say how buying a tesla means you'll make money back from some future mythical ride sharing capability... it's deceptive.
that video i posted above reminded me of this, and those wild-eyed fanboys admit there's been little progress in years but now they're 'excited' because tesla's 'offering them' an option to spend MORE money ($2500) to upgrade the main computer of older cars which may make the UI snappier, but not a lot else.
and i love how tesla fan videos love to point out the built in games - anyone actually plays these?
that video i posted above reminded me of this, and those wild-eyed fanboys admit there's been little progress in years but now they're 'excited' because tesla's 'offering them' an option to spend MORE money ($2500) to upgrade the main computer of older cars which may make the UI snappier, but not a lot else.
and i love how tesla fan videos love to point out the built in games - anyone actually plays these?
People play the games all time during charging or any down time. But if you hate games or think it's a stupid feature then simply don't play them.
Every prediction of Tesla failing have been wrong including from you.
03-17-20, 11:04 AM
#112
tesla is clearly a very innovative company. but selling a "full self driving" option for $7K for YEARS that's offered NOTHING of the sort, is totally deceptive and they should be in legal trouble for this. and tesla's founder and salespeople continue to say how buying a tesla means you'll make money back from some future mythical ride sharing capability... it's deceptive.
that video i posted above reminded me of this, and those wild-eyed fanboys admit there's been little progress in years but now they're 'excited' because tesla's 'offering them' an option to spend MORE money ($2500) to upgrade the main computer of older cars which may make the UI snappier, but not a lot else.
and i love how tesla fan videos love to point out the built in games - anyone actually plays these?
that video i posted above reminded me of this, and those wild-eyed fanboys admit there's been little progress in years but now they're 'excited' because tesla's 'offering them' an option to spend MORE money ($2500) to upgrade the main computer of older cars which may make the UI snappier, but not a lot else.
and i love how tesla fan videos love to point out the built in games - anyone actually plays these?
03-17-20, 01:20 PM
#113
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
if you get the option when ready you will have it. No more no less.
Legal trouble? Give me a break but if you think Tesla is egregiously lying file a complaint.
03-17-20, 01:24 PM
#114
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
03-17-20, 02:22 PM
#115
You are not playing attention. Tesla had made it crystal clear the car is ready for full self driving, if you get the option when ready you will have it. No more no less. Legal trouble? Give me a break but if you think Tesla is egregiously lying file a complaint.
People play the games all time during charging or any down time. But if you hate games or think it's a stupid feature then simply don't play them.
Every prediction of Tesla failing have been wrong including from you.
People play the games all time during charging or any down time. But if you hate games or think it's a stupid feature then simply don't play them.
Every prediction of Tesla failing have been wrong including from you.
03-17-20, 02:24 PM
#116
Lexus Fanatic
The hardware is there and ready, waiting for software.
Are you saying Tesla is perpetrating fraud and nothing is being done about it? Bold claim.
Here's my observation, since Tesla starting selling vehicles it is overwhelming the people that don't own a Tesla who complain about the car, Musk, and the company in general.
tesla announced october 2016 (3.5 years ago) all cars have full self-driving hardware and to get it you could pay the low-low price of $6K or $7K. so 3.5 years ago you could pay a lot of money for a feature that still hasn't arrived. i say that's basically fraud.
Here's my observation, since Tesla starting selling vehicles it is overwhelming the people that don't own a Tesla who complain about the car, Musk, and the company in general.
03-17-20, 02:32 PM
#117
Lexus2000, your fanaticism makes you think that I have made such predictions of Tesla failing.
I have said that Tesla make great products just like Ford, GM, Benz, BMW and Audi.
Tesla achieves sales volume by selling below cost, hence a 16 year history of financial losses.
If Tesla priced to make a profit, then they could not possibly have achieved current sales volumes.
However, I have also said that we do NOT know Tesla's long term fate - it can go EITHER way.
Ezz makes excuses that these financial losses are due to R&D and infrastructure costs, but this is not true because ALL businesses must put up with R&D and infrastructure costs - yet still turn a profit.
I run a business, I incur costs, yet I still turn a profit - especially over 16 years.
Ezz likes to put "positive spin" onto the financial losses - to turn them into profits for gullible readers.
Ezz likes to focus on the highs of Teslas stockmarket values, while turning a blind eye to their lows of $179.85 just 9 months ago...
Presently, Tesla is giving the major players more and more time to catch up.
And they will catch up just like the original 1989 LS400 caught up to the S Class.
Even the Chinese are catching up to the US militarily.
It is a fact of life that things catch up and plateau out...
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Last edited by peteharvey; 03-17-20 at 02:57 PM.
03-17-20, 02:43 PM
#118
03-17-20, 02:53 PM
#119
You think I make this stuff up? Hahaha. Go read any of the analyst reports on Tesla (if you even know what that is). They are fundamentally valued at over $100B because of what I reiterated from analyst reports and what the street believes. There's no use arguing with you in things you don't understand.
There's no use arguing with you in things you don't understand.
03-17-20, 03:04 PM
#120
Lexus Fanatic
Ezz makes excuses that these financial losses are due to R&D and infrastructure costs, but this is not true because ALL businesses must put up with R&D and infrastructure costs - yet still turn a profit.