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Old 03-24-20, 04:32 PM
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Last month, Motor1 said it received information on Toyota and Lexus product plans for the next few years from an inside source who attended a dealer presentation. To protect the source, Motor1 didn't publish any slides or proof from that presentation. A snippet of what happened behind closed doors has found its way online, one of the slides yesterday, as well as its own recap of the Japanese automaker's plans that mirrors the Motor1 report. If all of this is true, not only is there a ton of product in the works, but Toyota and Lexus lineups will get more interesting while answering the requests of several enthusiast groups.

We'll start with the 86, then go by model year after that. The next-gen coupe developed with Subaru should sit on Toyota's TNGA platform and get a rebrand to wear the GR86 name, for Toyota's Gazoo Racing division. The real hallelulah happens under the hood, where a turbocharged four-cylinder is expected to produce 255 hp, a 50-hp jump over the present model. Look for an upgraded interior, too. The debut is slated for summer 2021, possibly July.

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The fall season should introduce a new crossover and a new Sienna with hybrid powertrains only. The current minivan has been on sale since 2010, getting a minor refresh in front in 2018. The crossover will be a five-seat midsizer that brings back the Venza name, this model already rumored here and abroad. It, too, will only get hybrid powertrains. Both planned as 2021-model-year products, it's possible their motivations will be based on the 2.5-liter four-cylinder in both the RAV4 and Highlander hybrids. And a refreshed Camry might come later this year as a 2021MY sedan.

2021:

Next year will be a busy one. ...

On the Toyota side, and as TFL has reported, the all-new Tundra that's first to sit on the TNGA-F truck platform will show in December 2021 as a 2022MY pickup. Rumor has the top model powered by a 3.5-liter twin-turbo V6 hybrid with around 455 hp and 500 pound-feet of torque, perhaps distinguished by the i-Force Max name that Toyota recently applied to trademark. A few months before that, Toyota will roll out a Corolla-based crossover maybe called the Corolla Cross, and potentially built in the U.S. at the Alabama facility being constructed with Mazda. And remember, a Toyota exec teased a small hot hatch for this market as well, "an answer" to the GR Yaris sold in Europe, which Car and Driver figures will be based on the Corolla. The Avalon and RAV4 get refreshed looks for the 2022MY, along with facelifts for the Lexus ES and LS sedans and UX crossover for 2022.

The bigger news for Lexus in 2021 would be the debut of a next-generation IS sedan, the current third-generation model on sale since 2013, last updated in 2016. The NX crossover could also debut a brand new model on the TNGA-K platform, bringing "strikingly avant-garde design with revolutionary tech," a 2.5-liter PHEV powertrain with 40 miles of all-electric range among its five rumored powertrains, and a 14-inch touchscreen infotainment system. The GS sport sedan, long left in limbo, finally dies. In its place could come a Lexus-badged version of the hydrogen fuel-cell Toyota Mirai.

2022:

Toyota seems to have penciled in the all-new Sequoia and 4Runner for the 2023 model year, both expected on the TNGA-F architecture shared with the Tundra. The Sequoia, as with the Tundra, will give up its 5.7-liter V8 and top out at the twin-turbo hybrid V6. The 4Runner is also said to get the new V6, but we wonder if that will be in naturally aspirated or full-bore twin-turbo form. Sticking with crossovers, the presentation apparently showed a new Lexus RX arriving for the 2023MY as "a much better executed three-row" product on the TNGA-K architecture, and this will be the final year of production for the current Lexus GX.

The flagship LC-F will debut Lexus' new twin-turbo V8 engine in 2022, and then share that mill with the all-new Lexus LX SUV, according to Allcarnews. The top-tier family hauler is said to stretch way upmarket, offering the twin-turbo V6 as well, becoming "an entirely different vehicle" compared to what we have today. Around this same time, Toyota and Lexus will no longer offer V8 engines in any of their vehicles priced below $90,000.

2023:

Toyota will bring us the next-generation Camry sedan and Tacoma pickup as 2024MY vehicles, and whatever replaces the Lexus GX will debut.

The only development that doesn't have a potential date attached concerns welcome news for the next-generation Toyota Land Cruiser. With the Lexus LX positioned to corner the luxury market, the leaked info claims the Land Cruiser will become a five-seat-only "hardcore off-roader" that's also sold in the U.S., and at much lower prices than the present model.
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Whatever happened to the "Unlimited" SUV that was projected as the new Lexus flagship a couple of years ago?
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Is it just me, or does it seem that Toyota does a bad job spacing out the Lexus car updates. Thats a whole lot of changes in stored for the next few years, after what felt like a long time of not a lot of changes.
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https://jalopnik.com/details-of-six-...-86-1842473009


A MASSIVE leak has just unveiled a plethora of plans for Toyota and Lexus over the next few years so let’s dive right in! First up is the all new BRZ and GR86 (yep no more GT86) which will be on a new platform with a 255HP Turbocharged engine, better interior and of course RWD coming in July of 2021.
Then a Camry refresh in 2021 with a new generation in 2024 and a Avalon refresh in 2022. Then a new 2021 Corolla Crossover and the Venza is coming back.
Then comes the all new 4Runner and Sequoia coming in 2022 based on the all new 2021 Tundra that will ride on the all new TNGA-F chassis. These will get a TwinTurbo Hybrid V6 and NO MORE V8.
Then a new 2024 Tacoma. Lexus is killing off V8 models under the $90k price point and an all new TwinTurbo V8 will debut in the 2022 LC-F.
The LS and ES are getting a 2022 refresh and the GS if being killed off and replaced with a Lexus version of the new RWD Toyota Mirai sedan.
The all new IS is coming for 2021.
An all new NX is coming on the new TNGA-K platform with a new 14in Touchscreen and 5 different powertrains.
An all new RX is coming in 2023 and the GX is being replaced in 2023 with a new model.
The LX is going to be insane with a TT V6 hybrid in 2022 and will compete with the Bentayga with a TT V8Land. The Landcruiser on the other hand will be turned into a stripped out off roader and lose any sort of luxury focus in favor of hardcore off roading.

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ACN EXTRA: The best part is all of this is real as it was leaked from a recent dealer conference!! 😂
Lexus GS going to be replaced by a Mirai sedan with fuel cell tech that no one wants or cares about?
I am looking forward to all these new vehicles. they cant come fast enough
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Will the all new IS still be RWD, and perhaps get an inline 6 like the Supra? I looked the other day and it really gets poor fuel economy esp. in AWD format. But it is nice that top speed of the RWD models is 143 and 142. Seems there still is some heritage there. Also, the webpage says 4 piston front and 2 piston rear, yet the image on the specs sheet show floating calipers.
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Originally Posted by evident

Lexus GS going to be replaced by a Mirai sedan with fuel cell tech that no one wants or cares about?
I am looking forward to all these new vehicles. they cant come fast enough
The 2021 Mirai is built on the same RWD platform as the current generation LS/LC.. The GS replacement could borrow the new Mirai styling, but still be ICE powered.
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I was hoping the GX was going to be replaced sooner. The current gen has been around since 2010, it needs to be replaced badly IMO. When it does maybe I will be back.
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The leak stuff is just so useless. Nothing is confirmed. Just guesswork.
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Originally Posted by patgilm
I was hoping the GX was going to be replaced sooner. The current gen has been around since 2010, it needs to be replaced badly IMO. When it does maybe I will be back.
very popular with the over land community and very high satisfaction rates. Hope they keep it body on frame. I also hope it does not change too too much.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
very popular with the over land community and very high satisfaction rates. Hope they keep it body on frame. I also hope it does not change too too much.
Isn't it called a Prado in other countries? I remember trying to buy touch up paint in spring 2017 and a customer in a dealer was irate because he had a '14 GX and had a $3000+ bill, where the svc. manager said that's normal and not a lot. I just kept to myself but wanted to ask isn't a '14 still under warranty it's only April so that means only before April 2013 could it be out of warranty. I wouldn't think 2014 models were even out in April 2013.
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Originally Posted by patgilm
I was hoping the GX was going to be replaced sooner. The current gen has been around since 2010, it needs to be replaced badly IMO. When it does maybe I will be back.
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very popular with the over land community and very high satisfaction rates. Hope they keep it body on frame. I also hope it does not change too too much.
The GX is basically confirmed to lumber on as is till then for a very very very special reason.... I`ll let you do the math

For the current likes of it seems as though it will remain BOF on the new system for mid size trucks. We also can expect that the V8 and 6 speeds will be EOL after the current generation.
Would be a smaller FI motor.maybe hybrid or just a high output V6 of sorts.




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Originally Posted by Johnhav430
Isn't it called a Prado in other countries? .
Yes, the 4Runner, GX and Land Cruser Prado along with the LC and LX are all sort of connected in many ways.


Lexus is making off road concepts. I like their dedication and direction

https://ok4wd.com/blog/lexus-canadas...rland-concept/




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Originally Posted by Johnhav430
Isn't it called a Prado in other countries? I remember trying to buy touch up paint in spring 2017 and a customer in a dealer was irate because he had a '14 GX and had a $3000+ bill, where the svc. manager said that's normal and not a lot. I just kept to myself but wanted to ask isn't a '14 still under warranty it's only April so that means only before April 2013 could it be out of warranty. I wouldn't think 2014 models were even out in April 2013.
Could have been purchased in October 2013 so if its the regular 4 yr would be out. Most of the new models usually roll out a few months before months end
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Originally Posted by coolsaber
The GX is basically confirmed to lumber on as is till then for a very very very special reason.... I`ll let you do the math

For the current likes of it seems as though it will remain BOF on the new system for mid size trucks. We also can expect that the V8 and 6 speeds will be EOL after the current generation.
Would be a smaller FI motor.maybe hybrid or just a high output V6 of sorts.
i dont know what will next gen GX be, because GX is only popular in the USA and nowehere else.
Unlike LC that sells great in many different countries.

So GX can actually change a lot to attract new audience, while LX would be better version of LX to keep old and attract new.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
i dont know what will next gen GX be, because GX is only popular in the USA and nowehere else.
Unlike LC that sells great in many different countries.

So GX can actually change a lot to attract new audience, while LX would be better version of LX to keep old and attract new.
Isn't the GX the Land Cruiser Prado in other markets?
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