Acura Cars are Ugly
05-13-20, 09:49 AM
#61
Lexus Test Driver
To be fair, a lot of those increases are because the Germans expanded their product line to include every kind of vehicle body type and coupe version of it under the sun to cover all niches.
05-13-20, 10:00 AM
#62
They have 4 Door Gran Coupe versions of their sedans, and 4 Door Gran Coupe versions of their high riding wagons too.
Though sales is one thing, but $$$ is something else; top sales does not necessarily mean top dollar.
This thread is really about styling [subjective], though styling is objective once it is polled.
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Last edited by peteharvey; 05-13-20 at 10:03 AM.
05-13-20, 01:11 PM
#63
Lexus Fanatic
Yup! Diff'rent strokes for different folks.
LOL, no its not. Thats the definition of something being subjective. If 99 people think something is ugly, and 1 person things its beautiful, that one person is not wrong. Styling is subjective, and I promise you every vehicle out there that you think is ugly, there are plenty of people that think its beautiful. You also always try and equate sales performance with styling to bolster your subjective opinion of styling as being fact. Your opinion may be an opinion that is shared by more people than those who disgagree, but that never means its objective. It is always your opinion.
Obviously a designer wants more people to think something is beautiful than think its ugly, so styling can succeed or fail, but that doesn't mean that its ever objective.
Even the Aztek has fans.
Subjectivity.
Originally Posted by peteharvey
This thread is really about styling [subjective], though styling is objective once it is polled.
Obviously a designer wants more people to think something is beautiful than think its ugly, so styling can succeed or fail, but that doesn't mean that its ever objective.
Even the Aztek has fans.
05-13-20, 03:04 PM
#64
LOL, no its not. Thats the definition of something being subjective. If 99 people think something is ugly, and 1 person things its beautiful, that one person is not wrong. Styling is subjective, and I promise you every vehicle out there that you think is ugly, there are plenty of people that think its beautiful. You also always try and equate sales performance with styling to bolster your subjective opinion of styling as being fact. Your opinion may be an opinion that is shared by more people than those who disgagree, but that never means its objective. It is always your opinion.
Obviously a designer wants more people to think something is beautiful than think its ugly, so styling can succeed or fail, but that doesn't mean that its ever objective.
Even the Aztek has fans.
Obviously a designer wants more people to think something is beautiful than think its ugly, so styling can succeed or fail, but that doesn't mean that its ever objective.
Even the Aztek has fans.
A number of people vote one way, and a number of people vote the other way, but we can only have one body styling - and it is democracy and its objectivity that wins.
Deeper into it, styling is actually a science - and not an art; research it...
05-13-20, 03:05 PM
#65
Lexus Fanatic
That statement just doesn't many any sense lol
As much as you try and prove otherwise, styling will always remain subjective.
As much as you try and prove otherwise, styling will always remain subjective.
05-13-20, 04:02 PM
#66
The ultimate poll is the sales.
The sales indicates the overall quality of the product.
Detailed polling pin points the exact individual strengths & weaknesses of the product.
05-13-20, 04:14 PM
#67
Lexus Fanatic
Totally disagree. Styling is never made objective. All polling does is tell you who likes it and who doesn't, it doesn't mean the people that like it are wrong.
Sales are based on a wide variety of attributes, styling being just one of them.
Sales are based on a wide variety of attributes, styling being just one of them.
05-13-20, 04:53 PM
#68
Lexus Test Driver
05-13-20, 05:07 PM
#69
Lexus Fanatic
05-13-20, 05:27 PM
#70
Lexus Test Driver
05-13-20, 05:39 PM
#71
Totally agreed, we've owned 2 RX's now despite not exactly loving the design. There's more to owning a car than styling, otherwise, everybody would own a Lamborghini or Aston Martin or Lexus LC and nobody would own an RX.
05-13-20, 06:59 PM
#72
Driver School Candidate
05-13-20, 08:55 PM
#73
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I still have my 93 and 94
Lexus LS400s. When I bought them Lexus didn't advertise....they didn't have to. Now it seems I see Lexus ads almost every day. To me all luxury brands now look bad including Lexus but that's just me. I'm glad you like your IS300. I hope more people do as well because Lexus is an Iconic brand. Enjoy!!
Lexus LS400s. When I bought them Lexus didn't advertise....they didn't have to. Now it seems I see Lexus ads almost every day. To me all luxury brands now look bad including Lexus but that's just me. I'm glad you like your IS300. I hope more people do as well because Lexus is an Iconic brand. Enjoy!!
05-14-20, 12:16 AM
#74
Styling is certainly one of the major categories, and polling can pin point both the category and the degree of impact.
We can't poll [properly], so we can only guess or give opinions.
05-14-20, 03:45 AM
#75
Pole Position
Subjectivity cannot be measured and cannot be deemed 'wrong' by any poll. Any survey conducted on the subjective tastes of automotive styling, for example, would simple tell us the breakdown of the subjective tastes that buyers have out there which is useful information for manufacturers to have, but isn't at all demonstrative of the negation of the minority views.