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The point is that many of us don't like it and it has nothing to do with being a "hater". I am giving it a fair shot, but it's a pretty polarizing design, and not one that I find very attractive.
How does people claim "sea of gloss plastics". It appears to be wood/metal, also the screen is much better integrated than anything Tesla related. Tesla layout always appear haphazard to me. This looks much better executed by a long shot. Best to wait for some videos to see before casting stones. I am sure it won't disappoint in opulence and quality interior finishes.
Tesla layout always appear haphazard to me. This looks much better executed by a long shot.
The screens on the S-Class are far more tacked-on than the ones in the Model S. And though the quality of the materials is sub-par, the choice of where to apply them and the layout are well done. I like that the wood (fake or not) looks like wood, not coated in laquer to look like gloss black plastic.
I generally think it's hard to make a judgment on fit, finish and flow from photos. You really need to experience the car from the inside to be able to come to clear conclusions on these matters. So I'm going to reserve judgment, but like what I see. I'm willing to bet that the interior of this car is much better than some seem to think, but again you can't really tell until you experience it properly. MB S-Class interiors rarely disappoint, and MB absolutely knows what its S-Class customers like. This is one car where they always, always do their homework.
The designo wood options are interesting. I much prefer the horizontal lines than vertical
Seems like a lot of things are touch sensitive, even ones you wouldn't think they are like the seat controls. If it is milled out of a single piece, it means the backrest, seat bottom, head rest buttons no longer move, and so are touch sensitive. Very interesting.
The screens on the S-Class are far more tacked-on than the ones in the Model S. And though the quality of the materials is sub-par, the choice of where to apply them and the layout are well done. I like that the wood (fake or not) looks like wood, not coated in laquer to look like gloss black plastic.
I see your point regarding the tablet integration but that Tesla interior is atrocious looks like something out of a 90's domestic car, I couldn't live with that interior. This new S class interior based on the vids now posted looks less appealing than the current generation but it's fine since a car like this would never be on my radar. My M340I is as big a sedan that I am comfortable with.
The designo wood options are interesting. I much prefer the horizontal lines than vertical
I think there will be many different choices of wood trims and cf.
I happen to like this piano black shiny lacquer finish with horizontal flowing lines, very elegant. It’s likely there will be a brown wood with the flowing lines too, these 2 will be my top 2 choices among many other wood trims.
BTW, that Tesla interior is ghastly ...
I think there will be many different choices of wood trims and cf.
I happen to like this piano black shiny lacquer finish with horizontal flowing lines, very elegant. It’s likely there will be a brown wood with the flowing lines too, these 2 will be my top 2 choices among many other wood trims.
BTW, that Tesla interior is ghastly ...
I was this close to choosing the piano black horizontal wood lines on my E class but didn't in the end, opting for open pore black. Its definitely an interesting option.
Mercedes-Benz hosted media for ride-alongs in the 2021 W223 S-Class, and the initial write-ups indicate it could take six months to figure out everything Stuttgart engineers put into the best-selling full-size luxury sedan. The least complex aspect is the three powertrains on the way for non-AMG models, the same number as the current sedan as outlined by Motor Trend. The base model is an S 500 that swaps the 329-horsepower 3.0-liter V6 in today's entry-level S 460 for a 3.0-liter inline-six with 429 hp plus 21 additional ponies from Mercedes' EQ Boost mild-hybrid system. A step up from there is an S 580, increasing the output of today's 463-hp twin-turbo V8 to 496 hp plus a 20-hp EQ Boost system. At the top comes the S 580e plug-in hybrid with around 500 combined horsepower, which is 31 hp up on today's S 560e. The output comes from a 3.0-liter inline-six ramped up to 362 hp, and a 140-hp e-motor. Torque holds steady at the same 516 pound-feet as the S 560e, but the 28-kWh battery in the 2021 PHEV should be good for about 60 miles on electric power, more than doubling the sedan's present EV range.
Beyond that come the Maybach and AMG models. The former sticks with a V12 for its S 650 trim. The latter will offer two trims, an S 63e with about 600 hp, and an S 73e with more than 800 horses.
Outside, both the standard and long-wheelbase cars get longer wheelbases. The shorter model adds 2.8 inches between the wheels to grow to 122.3 inches. We only get the long-wheelbase sedan in the U.S., and it adds two inches between the axles, now out to 126.6 inches. To get these behemoths through tight spaces, Mercedes has made rear-wheel steering standard throughout the range. MT says that the standard RWS comes with thinner tire selections, and can turn the back wheels in the opposite direction by a whopping 10 degrees up to about 35 miles per hour, after which the rears turn the same direction as the fronts. On S-Class models with wider tires, MT says the RWS only turns the back wheels up to 4 degrees. Car magazine's description of the system doesn't mention tire size, but characterizes the 4.5-degree RWS as "the entry-level version." The more extreme take reduces the S-Class' turning circle to under 34 feet, meaning it can flip a U-turn in the same space as an A-Class.
A very short list of innovations coming to the new sedan includes an optional E-Active Body Control hydro-pneumatic suspension that debuted on the GLC. It can individually lift a wheel over a road imperfection, or lift the entire vehicle 3.2 inches when sensors detect a side impact so that the side rails take more force instead of the doors. The seats contain 17 motors, and the seat controls on the doors no longer move but are capacitive and permit finer adjustment. There's Level 3 autonomy and the ability for the car to pull itself to the side of the road, plus new sensors in the steering wheel rim that give finer detection of a hand on the wheel. More sound deadening and a U-shaped, double-walled engine bay help make the sedan even quieter inside. Sensors in the cabin recognize occupants based on either voice, fingerprint, or facial recognition, and know which seat they're in. Ambient lighting is used to communicate, with a section above the center screen glowing when an occupant speaks to the car, or another section of lighting in the door illuminating to warn of passing traffic when parked and an occupant is about to open a door.
Check out the full write-ups at Motor Trend and Car. The sedan debuts in a little more than a week, on September 2. There's going to be a lot to learn.
450HP tv6+electric is a ton of power... "500" doesn't have to mean v8. lexus of course went from v8 '460' to tv6 '500'.
why does it sound like a reliability disaster? it also makes the engine start/stop function seamless and gives a lot of 'shove' when accelerating.
S500 is a special model name at MB and they continued to use it in rest of world even when they changed it here to S550. It was always known to be the top spec Benz so to now make that name as the base S model is just wrong imo.
The LS has always changed from 400 to 430 to 460 etc.
Putting electric motors adds complexity, parts and opportunity for more things to break which they will. Those negatives don’t outweigh the minor benefits this system will create. I personally have no interest in this and hopefully new M3 doesn’t have this tech. BTW Supra did not get it with new engine upgrade for 2021.
08-12-20, 02:07 PM
it also makes the engine start/stop function seamless and gives a lot of 'shove' when accelerating. 