Originally Posted by Hayek;10801939[b

]Blah-blah-blah... Sour grapes, sour grapes, sour grapes... You two are only saying that because Lexus never had a V12 engine. Those who disdain, want to buy.[/b]

The point is that Toyota had the V12 engine and Lexus, the luxury brand, never had a V12 engine. What the effing F?!

Toyota treats Lexus just like GM treats Cadillac. Like the red head stepchild, that is.

Take the RAV4 Prime for example. Why the freaking RAV4 gets a 306 hp hybrid version while the NX 300h has to make do with that gutless powertrain? Why Toyota gets the good stuff first and Lexus gets it later? That's just plain wrong! Lexus has to showcase the absolute best that Toyota can do, so they have to get the good stuff first and then Toyota. English is not my native language, but I think you get what I'm trying to say here. I mean look at Volkswagen and Audi. You don't see the Volkswagen getting a super powerful engine before Audi gets it.

Originally Posted by EZZ

Thats the issue though...they are bringing a knife to a gunfight. Of course their domestic market power trains are pretty pathetic too so it is what it is.

Originally Posted by 703

Pathetic to who? People who buy something like the Century don't really care about German or American powertrains. You're either a royal or a yakuza when you are seated in a Century. Dual ECU can run half of the V12 if one fails. The car is built reliable and durable enough to take on extra body armour.

Also, doesn't seem like you know the potential power of the Toyota 5L V12 when tuned. It gives out 930HP and takes the Supra to 240mph.

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