2 new hybrids to be announced next monday. Will share info when/where I can.

 

Though obviously not everyone thinks this way, in general, more is involved in choosing between gas and hybrid or BEV than just the price of gasoline....IMO, that is way oversimplifying it. Some localities grant HOV-exemptions to hybrids. There have been Federal and state tax-credit for years, although some of those have disappeared. Straight-BEVs require much less drivetrain-maintenance than gas-powered drivetrains. But hybrids may also be more expensive to insure because of their expense and complexity if totalled or stolen. And, in some places, you may (or may not) end up in a better relationship wth your family/friends/neighbors by choosing a hybrid.

 

In a vacuum this would be a great accomplishment but compared to a BEV a hybrid is dead slow and 5x less efficient. Not to say a BEV is the end all be all currently which is why Toyota appear to show little concern their sales are strong as are profits. But this is a company that used to plan long term now they are chasing profits and sales, innovation is largely secondary.

 

Love my CT200h, can't disagree from all the research I did that they make the best hybrids.

 

Well isn't a hybrid really half an electric car? It is the best of both worlds in terms of range and ease of use. Anyone that goes on a long road trip will probably have to think twice about driving a Tesla or have to plan for different routes along the way. Then spend 45mins charging the thing. Toyota isnt dumb, all they really need to do is remove the engine from their Hybrids, increase the battery size and they have an EV. So while people complain that Toyota is behind Tesla, are they really that behind? As a matter of fact, they have about a 20yr head start on electrification.

 

No, most of the energy comes from petrol.
Best of both worlds would be a long range plug in hybrid that gets 100mpg, but since everything in engineering is a compromise that's not going to happen.
I don't think we need this repeated again. But since over 90% of driving is short trips a BEV is best use 9 out of 10 times. For long trips petrol car is best everyone knows this.
It is vastly more complex and challenging go watch tear downs of a Tesla the entire platform is ground up designed to be a BEV Toyota doesn't have this. Neither do they have a factory dedicated to making battery packs, they don't have the software expertise either.
Still waiting for Toyota to do this 7 years later.
Far, far behind.
First battery powered car was in 1890 Toyota is 130 years behind.

 

Hybrid is here to stay. Less demand for EV due to low crude oil prices for the foreseeable future. Less driving due to covid. And no one is wanting to spend on a new EV.

EVs are pointless now.

 

This will age poorly.

 

apparently one is the sienna?

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...id-leak-rumor/

 

It's difficult to compare Toyota and Tesla. Tesla is a relatively small company, and they only make EV's. Toyota is a global juggernaught. I have to believe Toyota is slow to the EV market because they want to do it right. They can't risk their reputation (any further) with a crappy offering. Ask the early Tesla adopters about their experiences. It's amazing they're still in business, although, the jury is out on their long-term success.

 

Yes and I think they continue to plan long term which is why they are taking a slow approach which is in line where the market is right now. If /when the volume of BEV catches up to anywhere near the levels of gasoline cars don’t be surprised if Toyota ends up being dominant player even in BEVs.

 

well said. In addition the market view of a company like Toyota is ought to be a very different from a co like Tesla. With the scale & volumes of toyota a staggered / multi dimensional approach makes more sense and i think they are executing that very effectively

 

I disagree they are pointless.....assuming one has an adequate charging-outlet for them. Even aside from gas prices, they still have several advantages over ICEs and hybrids, especially in the the simple, virtually maintenance-free drive-trains.