Toyota vs Lexus.
06-01-20, 04:35 AM
#47
The Lexus LX is just a Land cruiser with some upscale appointments. Land cruisers have been around for 50 years as a way of surviving tough terrains and tow heavy load.
When people buy them to add to their garage and drive to their neighbours BBQ, then it just shows how culture influence people’s decision making ability to a huge degree.
This forum is called Car Chat. It’s full of opinions. Welcome to the internet.
When people buy them to add to their garage and drive to their neighbours BBQ, then it just shows how culture influence people’s decision making ability to a huge degree.
This forum is called Car Chat. It’s full of opinions. Welcome to the internet.
I am all for capitalism. If consumer preferences dictate certain vehicle types, then so be it. Today in the US, SUVs are very popular, so why not make more that will sell? If I am Toyota, I want to design and build vehicles that will be popular and actually sell. Who cares if someone purchases a $100k SUV and tricks it out? It’s none of my business and not my money. You need to RELAX and stop forcing your beliefs on others.
06-01-20, 04:55 AM
#48
Lexus Fanatic
The Lexus LX is just a Land cruiser with some upscale appointments. Land cruisers have been around for 50 years as a way of surviving tough terrains and tow heavy load.
When people buy them to add to their garage and drive to their neighbours BBQ, then it just shows how culture influence people’s decision making ability to a huge degree.
This forum is called Car Chat. It’s full of opinions. Welcome to the internet.
When people buy them to add to their garage and drive to their neighbours BBQ, then it just shows how culture influence people’s decision making ability to a huge degree.
This forum is called Car Chat. It’s full of opinions. Welcome to the internet.
Full of opinions sure but this is a community. I’d suggest you read the forums rules before you post too many “opinions” that insult others.
06-01-20, 06:27 AM
#49
Lexus Champion
If Toyota execs are "loling" in the boardrooms over this, which I seriously doubt, they should get their hesds out of the sand, or wherever else their heads might be, They're out to sell vehicles that appeal to this and other markets. Nothing unusually noble about it.
06-01-20, 07:38 AM
#50
Lexus Fanatic
I think Toyota is returning back to their roots. I also think for Toyota the future is hybrid, and then hydrogen technologies.
If Toyota were to exit the full size truck and full size suvs SUV segment for North America with both Toyota/Lexus, I would not miss them.
I think the Toyota execs are trying to figure out where to go with the full size stuff. There ain’t much of an immediate future for the next 2-3 years always as the pandemic has taken its toll on the NA economy. Toyota is in a pretty good place right now (in hindsight) as they are not burdened by a new expensive expenditure of gas guzzling SUVs that will not be selling.
If Toyota were to exit the full size truck and full size suvs SUV segment for North America with both Toyota/Lexus, I would not miss them.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-01-20 at 07:41 AM.
06-01-20, 08:20 AM
#51
Lexus Fanatic
I don't agree with your assessment of the economy. I think there will be plenty of demand.
06-01-20, 08:51 AM
#52
My point all along is that Toyota is slow to update their vehicles and have some dinosaurs in their lineup. What could they have sold over the past few years if those products were competitive? I am interested to see what they come out with, if and when that happens. I absolutely hate the LX and a rebadged Landcruiser - no real luxury or refinement. Yes it can last 20 years or whatever, but not what most luxury buyers are looking for.
06-01-20, 08:56 AM
#53
Lexus Fanatic
The last recession should give you insight to how Toyota large SUVs will sell. Very poorly. All large expensive vehicles decrease as well as the entire industry. GM and Ford just do full size tricks and SUVs better.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-01-20 at 09:01 AM.
06-01-20, 09:23 AM
#54
Lexus Fanatic
In the last recession gas was $4 a gallon. Now its $1.90 a gallon. The last recession was also due to market factors while this has a inciting incident.
A lot of financial analysts disagree with you.
GM and Ford do full sized trucks and SUVs better, but that doesn't mean Toyota can't or shouldn't compete.
A lot of financial analysts disagree with you.
GM and Ford do full sized trucks and SUVs better, but that doesn't mean Toyota can't or shouldn't compete.
06-01-20, 10:31 AM
#55
Lexus Fanatic
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i agree. obviously though, toyota does sell a TON of vehicles, and one could argue that by focusing on the most mainstream products like camry, rav4, and corolla, they've actually done better than if they'd gone all in on new trucks and suvs.
so what? it's supposed to be a (relatively) free country. they can buy what they want, you can buy what you want. of course you're free to judge others though.
i'm glad i don't give a crap about what others think about what i drive.
The Lexus LX is just a Land cruiser with some upscale appointments. Land cruisers have been around for 50 years as a way of surviving tough terrains and tow heavy load.
When people buy them to add to their garage and drive to their neighbours BBQ, then it just shows how culture influence people’s decision making ability to a huge degree.
When people buy them to add to their garage and drive to their neighbours BBQ, then it just shows how culture influence people’s decision making ability to a huge degree.
i'm glad i don't give a crap about what others think about what i drive.
06-01-20, 12:30 PM
#56
I think Toyota is returning back to their roots. I also think for Toyota the future is hybrid, and then hydrogen technologies.
If Toyota were to exit the full size truck and full size suvs SUV segment for North America with both Toyota/Lexus, I would not miss them.
I think the Toyota execs are trying to figure out where to go with the full size stuff. There ain’t much of an immediate future for the next 2-3 years always as the pandemic has taken its toll on the NA economy. Toyota is in a pretty good place right now (in hindsight) as they are not burdened by a new expensive expenditure of gas guzzling SUVs that will not be selling.
If Toyota were to exit the full size truck and full size suvs SUV segment for North America with both Toyota/Lexus, I would not miss them.
I think the Toyota execs are trying to figure out where to go with the full size stuff. There ain’t much of an immediate future for the next 2-3 years always as the pandemic has taken its toll on the NA economy. Toyota is in a pretty good place right now (in hindsight) as they are not burdened by a new expensive expenditure of gas guzzling SUVs that will not be selling.
NA is just 10 years behind everyone else in adopting fuel efficient cars at scale. And you’ll hear every single reason under the sun why it’s not for them.
06-01-20, 12:39 PM
#57
Launching fuel guzzlers in a recession is loss making. They have learnt their lesson during the last financial crisis.
06-01-20, 12:41 PM
#58
Lexus Fanatic
Becoming more and more a carmaker that doesn't provide enthusiasts with much of anything.
06-01-20, 01:14 PM
#59
Lexus Fanatic
Yes, they definitely have.
20-30 years from now, Toyota and Lexus will be looked back upon as a pioneer of hybrid, BEV, and at that point an FCEV maker. The V8 stuff will be a distant memory as well as all the boring sedans in the past. It's tough for people here to understand and for some reason so many people are stuck in the past...
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-01-20 at 01:30 PM.
06-01-20, 01:58 PM
#60
Lexus Fanatic
