2021 Acura TLX
#601
drives cars
I figured. The TLX's biggest enemy when it comes to performance is weight... 4200 pounds is essentially the same as an Audi SQ5, for example, which does 0-60 in about the same time with similar horsepower.
#602
Lexus Fanatic
The 2nd Gen IS350 was also RWD, not nearly as well equipped as a TLX-S or nearly as safe/rigid. The IS350 also was smaller, weighed around 3500lbs and did not do a 0-60 in under 5 sec in every test.
#603
Lexus Test Driver
Sure...but it was also from 2006 and NA. You have to admit, the new Type S has pretty disappointing performance figures. It is what it is.
#604
Lexus Fanatic
I was hoping for more power/a little better acceleration but other then that I like it and think it is a good package and one of the best looking in segment inside and out. It would be on my list of future cars new/used, no way am I owning a German car out of warranty unless it is much more special like a S class, CLS, 911, etc.
There are several newer cars that don't accelerate much better or are even slower then older gen cars, weight it pretty much the big killer when it comes to acceleration and because companies are under so much pressure to get better fuel economy they can't up the hp too much to compensate for the added weight. 3rd Gen IS is slower then 2nd Gen, 4th Gen GS350 is slower then 3rd Gen, some newer 4 cylinders that replaced 6 cylinders in the Germans are slower and all those 4 cylinders are less refined.
#605
Lexus Test Driver
Those couple of 0-60's in under 5 sec for the 2nd Gen IS350's were extremely rare and impressive at the time and even today, it was not close to the norm so it a little unfair to be that disappointed and dismiss it as only about as fast as something that was a outlier and very unique in 2006 especially considering how they are equipped, rigidity, safety, etc. Kind of like how the GTR was doing a 3.2 sec 0-60 when it first came out a long time ago and several more expensive sports cars/coupes today aren't that quick.
I was hoping for more power/a little better acceleration but other then that I like it and think it is a good package and one of the best looking in segment inside and out. It would be on my list of future cars new/used, no way am I owning a German car out of warranty unless it is much more special like a S class, CLS, 911, etc.
There are several newer cars that don't accelerate much better or are even slower then older gen cars, weight it pretty much the big killer when it comes to acceleration and because companies are under so much pressure to get better fuel economy they can't up the hp too much to compensate for the added weight. 3rd Gen IS is slower then 2nd Gen, 4th Gen GS350 is slower then 3rd Gen, some newer 4 cylinders that replaced 6 cylinders in the Germans are slower and all those 4 cylinders are less refined.
I was hoping for more power/a little better acceleration but other then that I like it and think it is a good package and one of the best looking in segment inside and out. It would be on my list of future cars new/used, no way am I owning a German car out of warranty unless it is much more special like a S class, CLS, 911, etc.
There are several newer cars that don't accelerate much better or are even slower then older gen cars, weight it pretty much the big killer when it comes to acceleration and because companies are under so much pressure to get better fuel economy they can't up the hp too much to compensate for the added weight. 3rd Gen IS is slower then 2nd Gen, 4th Gen GS350 is slower then 3rd Gen, some newer 4 cylinders that replaced 6 cylinders in the Germans are slower and all those 4 cylinders are less refined.
#606
I don't understand why Acura just didn't bump up the power a bit considering its not that hard to do on an FI car. The overall package is decent especially for the price. Since most of this segment tends to lease, I don't see it selling in large numbers. Overall, its a good looking car though and if performance is secondary, then it could be a good value for certain types of buyers.
#607
Lexus Champion
I don't understand why Acura just didn't bump up the power a bit considering its not that hard to do on an FI car. The overall package is decent especially for the price. Since most of this segment tends to lease, I don't see it selling in large numbers. Overall, its a good looking car though and if performance is secondary, then it could be a good value for certain types of buyers.
#608
Lexus Test Driver
Honda/Acura are certainly Japanese car brands, their cars are considered Japanese cars no matter where they are made or sold, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, etc all have many cars designed and manufactured for and in other markets.
Pretty much every review/reviewer says the opposite of what you wrote. Have you even driven one?
Pretty much every review/reviewer says the opposite of what you wrote. Have you even driven one?
#609
Lexus Test Driver
The matter of fact is that the Type S, which was marketed by Acura to be some kind of track machine, is slower than a massive land yacht like the G80 that weighs more with no pretensions of sportiness, nevermind the compact vehicles it claims to compete with. It's not a good look.
#610
Horsepower specs on paper mean nothing because they're manufacturer-derived and the way each manufacturer measures power is different. Just ask how the BMW with their "335" HP 6-cylinders are able to outrun pretty much the entire gamut even in land yachts like the 8 Gran Coupe.
The matter of fact is that the Type S, which was marketed by Acura to be some kind of track machine, is slower than a massive land yacht like the G80 that weighs more with no pretensions of sportiness, nevermind the compact vehicles it claims to compete with. It's not a good look.
The matter of fact is that the Type S, which was marketed by Acura to be some kind of track machine, is slower than a massive land yacht like the G80 that weighs more with no pretensions of sportiness, nevermind the compact vehicles it claims to compete with. It's not a good look.
#611
Lexus Fanatic
This is something I have to remind friends all the time. The TLX, the cars in the stable here, or any of these premium sedans nowadays can be fun to drive and very capable, but, I will say the somewhat old Boxster S I drove was still far more exciting and felt more agile than any of them by a mile. Even something like a Camaro will be far more nimble even with the V-8 up front. These are really one-car packages, the cars for people who demand equal measures usability, performance, and comfort. They can't be amazing in one area without compromising either price or one of those other areas.
Edit: ... which is partly why I am perfectly okay with my IS looking a lot faster than it actually is.
Edit: ... which is partly why I am perfectly okay with my IS looking a lot faster than it actually is.
Honda/Acura are certainly Japanese car brands, their cars are considered Japanese cars no matter where they are made or sold, BMW, Toyota, Nissan, etc all have many cars designed and manufactured for and in other markets.
Pretty much every review/reviewer says the opposite of what you wrote. Have you even driven one?
Pretty much every review/reviewer says the opposite of what you wrote. Have you even driven one?
#612
Lexus Test Driver
Lexus should do a track event with the LS500 F-Sport like Acura did with the TLX Type S, and have a Type S there as the benchmark to demonstrate just how much more "sporty" the LS is.
#613
Lexus Fanatic
I don't understand why Acura just didn't bump up the power a bit considering its not that hard to do on an FI car. The overall package is decent especially for the price. Since most of this segment tends to lease, I don't see it selling in large numbers. Overall, its a good looking car though and if performance is secondary, then it could be a good value for certain types of buyers.
#614
Honda has always been pretty conservative with power, this is the first turbo of this series of engine and probably wanted to make sure the engine and transmission/Shawd were long term reliable, they also want to leave room for power updates so you don't get everything power wise at first and then it does not have much room to grow. I am sure fuel economy, emissions, noise had something to do with it too.
#615
Lexus Fanatic
Uh, the TLX being designed and manufactured in America and being sold only in America under an American-only brand are all fact whether you like it or not- you'll have to refer to me what sort of motoring journalists you read that come up with their own fantasy land of this vehicle being some kind of slick JDM treasure. Maybe the sea of Type S badging convinced you?
You are again exaggerating in your wording to attack the Type S like you have done since the beginning with your totally wrong 70K predicted price, being a "JDM treasure" was never said, you tried to say the TLX is not particularly sporty which is wrong and just about every reviewer has said the opposite of what you said about not being "particularly sporty" from the way it drives, handles, noises it makes, accelerates, looks, etc.