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You think isn’t reality. The complaints are the cost of maintaining some German cars not the reliability factor. Nissan is trash and not more reliable. BMW and Acura are tied . Again the B58 is used by Toyota for a reason.
Nissan is trash? Acura tied with BMW? Consumer Reports beg to differ.
Here is the 2022 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Report rankings of major automotive brands:
Nissan is trash? Acura tied with BMW? Consumer Reports beg to differ.
Here is the 2022 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Report rankings of major automotive brands:
1. Lexus
2. Mazda
3. Toyota
4. Infiniti
5. Buick
6. Honda
7. Subaru
8. Acura
9. Nissan
10. Mini
11. Hyundai
12. Chrysler
13. Porsche
14. Chevrolet
15. Audi
16. Cadillac
17. BMW
18. Ford
19. Kia
20. Volvo
21. Ram
22. GMC
23. Mercedes-Benz
24. Volkswagen (31)
25. Genesis (30)
26. Jeep (26)
27. Tesla (25)
28. Lincoln (18)
Acura is ahead of most brands when it comes to reliability. It is amazing how people make up the fake Acura has reliability problems. I don't love Acura or Nissan but they have some things they do really well.
Kense isn't wrong. The last time Acura was on CR's reliability list in 2020, they were ranked 28 out of 30. Bottom-tier. Them jumping up the ladder in one year doesn't change their prior few years of sitting near the bottom.
Nissan is trash? Acura tied with BMW? Consumer Reports beg to differ.
Here is the 2022 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Report rankings of major automotive brands:
1. Lexus
2. Mazda
3. Toyota
4. Infiniti
5. Buick
6. Honda
7. Subaru
8. Acura
9. Nissan
10. Mini
11. Hyundai
12. Chrysler
13. Porsche
14. Chevrolet
15. Audi
16. Cadillac
17. BMW
18. Ford
19. Kia
20. Volvo
21. Ram
22. GMC
23. Mercedes-Benz
24. Volkswagen (31)
25. Genesis (30)
26. Jeep (26)
27. Tesla (25)
28. Lincoln (18)
I'll go by my personal experience and if you go to the Infiniti Q50/60 forums EVERYBODY with a Red Sport had to have their serpentine belts replaced many too late because they got sucked into the engine causing catastrophic failure. Not to mention other issues. Acura only has 4 models of cars and still have transmission issues. I'll wait to see the verdict on their new Turbo Type S Engine.
TLX sales were a disaster in December, dropped 70% compared to both last year and last month. Since it's selling so slowly I doubt the chip constraints are limiting supply. I don't know what's going on with the car that's killed it in a single month.
TLX sales were a disaster in December, dropped 70% compared to both last year and last month. Since it's selling so slowly I doubt the chip constraints are limiting supply. I don't know what's going on with the car that's killed it in a single month.
Supposedly from what I heard in a different forum, they werent able to supply the cars to the dealers last month. This was from an Acura forum, so take it for what its worth.
Supposedly from what I heard in a different forum, they werent able to supply the cars to the dealers last month. This was from an Acura forum, so take it for what its worth.
That's why it doesn't add up, because TLX's are taking almost 7 months on average to sell one model.
That's why it doesn't add up, because TLX's are taking almost 7 months on average to sell one model.
Always love your consistent TLX negativity. I've never seen the Iseecars data used in anything within the industry. There are actually credible data sources that provide this for every OEM regularly, and aren't based on dealer listings. which are not really robust enough to base anything on.
Yes, TLX has had high days to turn, but I've always seen numbers around 3 months or so, peaking around 100 days. (this is specifically the 2021 model year) That did drop quite a bit in November, I haven't see December's last figure yet. But turn doesn't speak to availability and supply.
I do see where leftover 2020 TLX's did have super high days to turn metrics (like over 300) which makes sense. My guess is that the iseecars people just lumped all the TLX's together or they may have had dealers that don't really care about listings updates.
Supply does show quite a limited number of listings since that's the only thing the public can see (cars.com, etc) in the U.S. right now, even on TLX. So there's certainly credibility to the idea that supply contributed to the large year over year decline.
Sorry, don't blame me if most news about the car is bad news- I guess that just reflects the fact that Acura overpromised and underdelivered, and now the market is responding. And the same is happening again with the Legend. Acura will Acura.
I do see where leftover 2020 TLX's did have super high days to turn metrics (like over 300) which makes sense. My guess is that the iseecars people just lumped all the TLX's together or they may have had dealers that don't really care about listings updates.
I doubt a couple dozen 2020 TLX leftovers would contribute to hundreds if not (prior to December) thousands of listings that averaged the near 200 days of sitting on the lot.
Sorry, don't blame me if most news about the car is bad news- I guess that just reflects the fact that Acura overpromised and underdelivered, and now the market is responding. And the same is happening again with the Legend. Acura will Acura.
I doubt a couple dozen 2020 TLX leftovers would contribute to hundreds if not (prior to December) thousands of listings that averaged the near 200 days of sitting on the lot.
That's just it though, listing data in itself is inherently flawed, as it depends on the dealers to scrub inventory off their site listings, which many these days aren't inclined to do or have time to do. They leave listings online in the hopes the customers still contact them for a vehicle.
That's why within the industry there are more accurate measure of days to turn/days to sell that aren't based on listings, but rather information directly from dealer sales systems. This is the data that shows that while TLX is high, it's nowhere near 7 months.
So please stop using click baity headlines and poor "data" sources to make all your arguments.
That's just it though, listing data in itself is inherently flawed, as it depends on the dealers to scrub inventory off their site listings, which many these days aren't inclined to do or have time to do. They leave listings online in the hopes the customers still contact them for a vehicle.
That's why within the industry there are more accurate measure of days to turn/days to sell that aren't based on listings, but rather information directly from dealer sales systems. This is the data that shows that while TLX is high, it's nowhere near 7 months.
So please stop using click baity headlines and poor "data" sources to make all your arguments.
Unless you have better data that contradicts what iSeeCars has gathered that you can share, you're in no position to claim it is inaccurate. Everyone can be an industry expert online (see:Scotty Kilmer) but your opinion alone has zero weight.
Unless you have better data that contradicts what iSeeCars has gathered that you can share, you're in no position to claim it is inaccurate. Everyone can be an industry expert online (see:Scotty Kilmer) but your opinion alone has zero weight.
I said that the data I had always seen last year pointed towards actual turn, based on transactional records and data to be around the 3 month mark on the 2021 model year TLX and dipped lower in November, so it's not opinion. I've spent over a decade within the corporate side of automotive in product development strategy, and data and analytics consulting. Sources like Polk, J.D. Power. etc are much more detailed and reliable than anything ISeeCars is coming up with, and thus the basis of standardized reporting across the industry.
TLX sales were a disaster in December, dropped 70% compared to both last year and last month. Since it's selling so slowly I doubt the chip constraints are limiting supply. I don't know what's going on with the car that's killed it in a single month.
That's why it doesn't add up, because TLX's are taking almost 7 months on average to sell one model.
Originally Posted by Motorola
Sorry, don't blame me if most news about the car is bad news- I guess that just reflects the fact that Acura overpromised and underdelivered, and now the market is responding. And the same is happening again with the Legend. Acura will Acura.
I doubt a couple dozen 2020 TLX leftovers would contribute to hundreds if not (prior to December) thousands of listings that averaged the near 200 days of sitting on the lot.
Originally Posted by Motorola
Unless you have better data that contradicts what iSeeCars has gathered that you can share, you're in no position to claim it is inaccurate. Everyone can be an industry expert online (see:Scotty Kilmer) but your opinion alone has zero weight.
What are you trying to achieve on this forum?. Honda had a pretty good year. Acura as well. Sales are up on the year despite supply challenges.
Originally Posted by pbm317
That's just it though, listing data in itself is inherently flawed, as it depends on the dealers to scrub inventory off their site listings, which many these days aren't inclined to do or have time to do. They leave listings online in the hopes the customers still contact them for a vehicle.
That's why within the industry there are more accurate measure of days to turn/days to sell that aren't based on listings, but rather information directly from dealer sales systems. This is the data that shows that while TLX is high, it's nowhere near 7 months.
So please stop using click baity headlines and poor "data" sources to make all your arguments.
Originally Posted by pbm317
I said that the data I had always seen last year pointed towards actual turn, based on transactional records and data to be around the 3 month mark on the 2021 model year TLX and dipped lower in November, so it's not opinion. I've spent over a decade within the corporate side of automotive in product development strategy, and data and analytics consulting. Sources like Polk, J.D. Power. etc are much more detailed and reliable than anything ISeeCars is coming up with, and thus the basis of standardized reporting across the industry.
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