2021 Acura TLX
#736
Lexus Test Driver
I said that the data I had always seen last year pointed towards actual turn, based on transactional records and data to be around the 3 month mark on the 2021 model year TLX and dipped lower in November, so it's not opinion. I've spent over a decade within the corporate side of automotive in product development strategy, and data and analytics consulting. Sources like Polk, J.D. Power. etc are much more detailed and reliable than anything ISeeCars is coming up with, and thus the basis of standardized reporting across the industry.
I should be asking you the same question for this strawman. How is this relevant to the TLX taking 7 months to sell on average?
Last edited by Motorola; 01-08-22 at 07:12 PM.
#737
It is opinion, because you have provided absolutely zero data to back up your claims. Merely listing other sources, which don't publicly provide any data on this matter, does nothing to bolster your claims of iSeeCars being wrong. Your decade of experience is as relevant as Scotty Kilmer's unless you can provide actual data.
I should be asking you the same question for this strawman. How is this relevant to the TLX taking 7 months to sell on average?
I should be asking you the same question for this strawman. How is this relevant to the TLX taking 7 months to sell on average?
TLX doesn't take 7 months on average, that was one month's data point from ISeeCars. It doesn't say how big their sample was. On their site I don't even see any new Acura listings, so who knows where they're pulling this information from. Even their used inventory of just TLX, shows about 1,000 units nationwide. That's just over 1/3 of what Cars.com and Autotrader show, which is nearly identical. So there seems to be a pretty limited sample that ISeeCars data could have.
It could be other common industry elements such as late model year change over for 2022 model year, so they wanted to run down 2021 inventory as much as possible before starting up 2022 to avoid having to further discount 2021 models. And Jill's point is relevant because as terrible as you want to believe the TLX is, it has achieved a decent volume bump in what has been a pretty tumultuous year.
You just want to seem to peg TLX with any sliver of negativity and it's pretty tiresome.
#738
Lexus Test Driver
TLX doesn't take 7 months on average, that was one month's data point from ISeeCars.
It doesn't say how big their sample was.
On their site I don't even see any new Acura listings, so who knows where they're pulling this information from.
You just want to seem to peg TLX with any sliver of negativity and it's pretty tiresome.
EDIT: By the way, claiming that nobody takes iSeeCars' studies seriously is a pretty terrible argument when their data is referenced by Consumer Reports, Wall Street Journal, CNBC, etc. I trust their judgment on this matter over yours any day lol.
Last edited by Motorola; 01-09-22 at 08:49 AM.
#739
Lexus Fanatic
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-09-22 at 09:43 AM.
#740
Was always told to never feed trolls, but here.
Industry days to turn data based on actual transactions not on some bogus metric of listings, which are highly irregular and not reliable for indication of an actual sale or not.
2021 Acura TLX
average days to turn
2020-09-01
5.3
2020-10-01
12.6
2020-11-01
21.0
2020-12-01
34.4
2021-01-01
44.6
2021-02-01
55.4
2021-03-01
64.8
2021-04-01
77.8
2021-05-01
79.2
2021-06-01
94.5
2021-07-01
110.5
2021-08-01
90.0
2021-09-01
104.4
2021-10-01
115.5
2021-11-01
57.1
2020 Acura TLX
average days to turn
2019-04-01
5.1
2019-05-01
17.0
2019-06-01
21.7
2019-07-01
24.8
2019-08-01
35.6
2019-09-01
42.9
2019-10-01
47.7
2019-11-01
49.6
2019-12-01
50.8
2020-01-01
54.5
2020-02-01
56.2
2020-03-01
50.5
2020-04-01
71.2
2020-05-01
93.9
2020-06-01
92.2
2020-07-01
50.0
2020-08-01
42.5
2020-09-01
58.9
2020-10-01
83.9
2020-11-01
105.5
2020-12-01
132.8
2021-01-01
173.4
2021-02-01
153.7
2021-03-01
318.4
2021-04-01
286.2
2021-05-01
258.1
2021-06-01
266.1
2021-07-01
328.2
2021-08-01
401.2
Industry days to turn data based on actual transactions not on some bogus metric of listings, which are highly irregular and not reliable for indication of an actual sale or not.
2021 Acura TLX
average days to turn
2020-09-01
5.3
2020-10-01
12.6
2020-11-01
21.0
2020-12-01
34.4
2021-01-01
44.6
2021-02-01
55.4
2021-03-01
64.8
2021-04-01
77.8
2021-05-01
79.2
2021-06-01
94.5
2021-07-01
110.5
2021-08-01
90.0
2021-09-01
104.4
2021-10-01
115.5
2021-11-01
57.1
2020 Acura TLX
average days to turn
2019-04-01
5.1
2019-05-01
17.0
2019-06-01
21.7
2019-07-01
24.8
2019-08-01
35.6
2019-09-01
42.9
2019-10-01
47.7
2019-11-01
49.6
2019-12-01
50.8
2020-01-01
54.5
2020-02-01
56.2
2020-03-01
50.5
2020-04-01
71.2
2020-05-01
93.9
2020-06-01
92.2
2020-07-01
50.0
2020-08-01
42.5
2020-09-01
58.9
2020-10-01
83.9
2020-11-01
105.5
2020-12-01
132.8
2021-01-01
173.4
2021-02-01
153.7
2021-03-01
318.4
2021-04-01
286.2
2021-05-01
258.1
2021-06-01
266.1
2021-07-01
328.2
2021-08-01
401.2
Last edited by pbm317; 01-09-22 at 11:31 AM.
#741
Positive notes on a TLX Type S. Not everything about "performance" is about straight-line acceleration. BMW may win for the keyboard quarterbacks, but the Acura isn't a slouch and is a fine "drivers" sedan.
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/12/27/...mparison-test/
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/12/27/...mparison-test/
#742
Lexus Test Driver
Either way, I do appreciate that you finally posting some numbers- though you should have considered doing so from the very beginning instead of thinking anyone would take your word at face value merely because you label yourself an "industry expert." But sure, go ahead and call me a "troll" for posting a legitimate source and expecting you to do the same.
#743
TLX didn't even break 30K in 2021 like it did in 2015-2018, so I'm not sure what you're celebrating here. It also sold less than it did in 2019 and only beat its sales in 2020 when the pandemic was at its peak. Either way, that's a weird strawman hill to die on.
Thanks, you mind sharing what source you got these numbers from so I can also also pick it apart based on some arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters like your opinion of iSeeCars?
Either way, I do appreciate that you finally posting some numbers- though you should have considered doing so from the very beginning instead of thinking anyone would take your word at face value merely because you label yourself an "industry expert." But sure, go ahead and call me a "troll" for posting a legitimate source and demanding you do the same.
Thanks, you mind sharing what source you got these numbers from so I can also also pick it apart based on some arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters like your opinion of iSeeCars?
Either way, I do appreciate that you finally posting some numbers- though you should have considered doing so from the very beginning instead of thinking anyone would take your word at face value merely because you label yourself an "industry expert." But sure, go ahead and call me a "troll" for posting a legitimate source and demanding you do the same.
Largest automotive transactional data source in the country.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pin...otive-products
And it's not an arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters, it's what the industry actually uses. but sure, replace your google searching in lieu of actual industry experience and knowledge.
#744
Lexus Test Driver
Largest automotive transactional data source in the country.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pin...otive-products
And it's not an arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters, it's what the industry actually uses. but sure, replace your google searching in lieu of actual industry experience and knowledge.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pin...otive-products
And it's not an arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters, it's what the industry actually uses. but sure, replace your google searching in lieu of actual industry experience and knowledge.
#745
Lexus Fanatic
TLX didn't even break 30K in 2021 like it did in 2015-2018, so I'm not sure what you're celebrating here. It also sold less than it did in 2019 and only beat its sales in 2020 when the pandemic was at its peak. Either way, that's a weird strawman hill to die on.
Thanks, you mind sharing what source you got these numbers from so I can also also pick it apart based on some arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters like your opinion of iSeeCars?
Either way, I do appreciate that you finally posting some numbers- though you should have considered doing so from the very beginning instead of thinking anyone would take your word at face value merely because you label yourself an "industry expert." But sure, go ahead and call me a "troll" for posting a legitimate source and expecting you to do the same.
Thanks, you mind sharing what source you got these numbers from so I can also also pick it apart based on some arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters like your opinion of iSeeCars?
Either way, I do appreciate that you finally posting some numbers- though you should have considered doing so from the very beginning instead of thinking anyone would take your word at face value merely because you label yourself an "industry expert." But sure, go ahead and call me a "troll" for posting a legitimate source and expecting you to do the same.
#746
Lexus Test Driver
#747
Lexus Fanatic
The Acura brand is up right? Same with the TLX? Not sure why or how you are so negative on Acura or TLX if the sales are up. Bewildering to be honest
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-09-22 at 01:08 PM.
#748
Lexus Test Driver
By any metric, the 2021 TLX sales numbers are far from a home run when they're the 2nd worst year for TLX sales since its inception.
#749
Lexus Fanatic
Again with the strawman arguments. TLX sales don't change the fact that it's a slow-selling car. Sales numbers are predetermined by how many the manufacturer is willing to make, not how long they sit on lots.
By any metric, the 2021 TLX sales numbers are far from a home run when they're the 2nd worst year for TLX sales since its inception.
By any metric, the 2021 TLX sales numbers are far from a home run when they're the 2nd worst year for TLX sales since its inception.
#750
Lexus Test Driver