Motorola

It is opinion, because you have provided absolutely zero data to back up your claims. Merely listing other sources, which don't publicly provide any data on this matter, does nothing to bolster your claims of iSeeCars being wrong. Your decade of experience is as relevant as Scotty Kilmer's unless you can provide actual data.

I should be asking you the same question for this strawman. How is this relevant to the TLX taking 7 months to sell on average?

pbm317

I gave my basic data, but since it's not publicly available anyway, how would you confirm it?

TLX doesn't take 7 months on average, that was one month's data point from ISeeCars. It doesn't say how big their sample was. On their site I don't even see any new Acura listings, so who knows where they're pulling this information from. Even their used inventory of just TLX, shows about 1,000 units nationwide. That's just over 1/3 of what Cars.com and Autotrader show, which is nearly identical. So there seems to be a pretty limited sample that ISeeCars data could have.

It could be other common industry elements such as late model year change over for 2022 model year, so they wanted to run down 2021 inventory as much as possible before starting up 2022 to avoid having to further discount 2021 models. And Jill's point is relevant because as terrible as you want to believe the TLX is, it has achieved a decent volume bump in what has been a pretty tumultuous year.

You just want to seem to peg TLX with any sliver of negativity and it's pretty tiresome.

Motorola

The burden of proof is on you- iSeeCars has already given their data. Until you can do the same, your word is as good as someone claiming they have the cure for cancer.

Back in October it was 165 days. Top of the list. I would pull up more months but can't find them.

Yes it does- 280,000 cars sold in November.

Perhaps it's the same place you're pulling your data from that you refuse to share.

If I wanted to do that, I would just pull up every review of the TLX Type S lol. Sorry, this car is not being loved by anyone right now other than Acura purists. I brought up the slow sales because it showed up on Carscoops and several other motoring news sites recently.


EDIT: By the way, claiming that nobody takes iSeeCars' studies seriously is a pretty terrible argument when their data is referenced by Consumer Reports, Wall Street Journal, CNBC, etc. I trust their judgment on this matter over yours any day lol.

Toys4RJill

TLX sales are up. So are Acura. So are Honda. You have to no point or argument. None!

Thanks It is very hard to look at sedan sales. They are just not as popular as they once were. TLX is still around so the Acura just doesn't go all boring cross over with no sporty type car

pbm317

Was always told to never feed trolls, but here.

Industry days to turn data based on actual transactions not on some bogus metric of listings, which are highly irregular and not reliable for indication of an actual sale or not.



2021 Acura TLX



average days to turn

2020-09-01

5.3

2020-10-01

12.6

2020-11-01

21.0

2020-12-01

34.4

2021-01-01

44.6

2021-02-01

55.4

2021-03-01

64.8

2021-04-01

77.8

2021-05-01

79.2

2021-06-01

94.5

2021-07-01

110.5

2021-08-01

90.0

2021-09-01

104.4

2021-10-01

115.5

2021-11-01

57.1




2020 Acura TLX



average days to turn

2019-04-01

5.1

2019-05-01

17.0

2019-06-01

21.7

2019-07-01

24.8

2019-08-01

35.6

2019-09-01

42.9

2019-10-01

47.7

2019-11-01

49.6

2019-12-01

50.8

2020-01-01

54.5

2020-02-01

56.2

2020-03-01

50.5

2020-04-01

71.2

2020-05-01

93.9

2020-06-01

92.2

2020-07-01

50.0

2020-08-01

42.5

2020-09-01

58.9

2020-10-01

83.9

2020-11-01

105.5

2020-12-01

132.8

2021-01-01

173.4

2021-02-01

153.7

2021-03-01

318.4

2021-04-01

286.2

2021-05-01

258.1

2021-06-01

266.1

2021-07-01

328.2

2021-08-01

401.2

pbm317

Positive notes on a TLX Type S. Not everything about "performance" is about straight-line acceleration. BMW may win for the keyboard quarterbacks, but the Acura isn't a slouch and is a fine "drivers" sedan.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/12/27/...mparison-test/

Motorola

TLX didn't even break 30K in 2021 like it did in 2015-2018, so I'm not sure what you're celebrating here. It also sold less than it did in 2019 and only beat its sales in 2020 when the pandemic was at its peak. Either way, that's a weird strawman hill to die on.

Thanks, you mind sharing what source you got these numbers from so I can also also pick it apart based on some arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters like your opinion of iSeeCars?

Either way, I do appreciate that you finally posting some numbers- though you should have considered doing so from the very beginning instead of thinking anyone would take your word at face value merely because you label yourself an "industry expert." But sure, go ahead and call me a "troll" for posting a legitimate source and expecting you to do the same.

pbm317

Largest automotive transactional data source in the country.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/pin...otive-products

And it's not an arbitrary ill-defined set of parameters, it's what the industry actually uses. but sure, replace your google searching in lieu of actual industry experience and knowledge.

Motorola

Thanks, I'll just tell the guys at Consumer Reports, WSJ, CNBC, and pretty much every other major business media outlet that the iSeeCars studies they cite on a regular basis are no good because some anonymous person on a forum said he knows better.

Toys4RJill

Is Acura and TLX up or down in 21 vs 20? Yes or No….

Motorola

So your point is the TLX is selling well because it performed better than the worst year it's had since it was sold? lol.

The 3 Series sold 50K units in 2021. The TLX barely sold half of that.

Toys4RJill

The Acura brand is up right? Same with the TLX? Not sure why or how you are so negative on Acura or TLX if the sales are up. Bewildering to be honest

Motorola

Again with the strawman arguments. TLX sales don't change the fact that it's a slow-selling car. Sales numbers are predetermined by how many the manufacturer is willing to make, not how long they sit on lots.

By any metric, the 2021 TLX sales numbers are far from a home run when they're the 2nd worst year for TLX sales since its inception.

Toys4RJill

But they are up right? Face the facts that you have no argument. None whatsoever

Motorola

I told you the facts and your response is to cover your ears and go "nuh-uh!" If you can't provide more substance than that then I'm done here.